I don't think the thread is ugly, nor is it offensive. Rather, it's sad. You see, I've been spending time on a board populated by a lot of conservatives and what I find is a sad need to villify anything that does not jive with their political philosophies. I find many of the neo-conservative ideas to be the antithisis of my ideas, and that's the way it typically works when you have more than one party. However, I do not find it necessary to belittle an entire group, although at times I think it would be a whole helluva lot of fun. As to the savior crap, Ma, you're being disengenious here. Many of the current POTUS's followers could be called, well, just that, followers. That said, while I don't hold a particular candle for this Dem candidate, and I surely do not for the POTUS, I think it's a good sign that we have so many people (from both parties, interestingly) excited about a president. It's been a dark and cynical seven years and people need a little light. Good luck on your crusade, it only serves to belittle you, Ma.

sure, you can talk to god, but if you don't listen then what's the use? so, onward through the fog!