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lets see now 20-30 mpg hummers and other large vehicles, forcing up the price of gas and oil?
demonising the people who through their selfish choices have directly affected my life? Demonising the companies that provided and heavily promoted this "choice", Demonising such inefficient monstrosities as Hummers?
youre damn right.
In part they're slowly taking away my right to travel freely.
1. It was Hummers, not "other large vehicles" that was referenced.
2. The small number of Hummers sold to civilians are not the cause of increased gas prices.
3. The reference made by me to "demonization" was indeed confined to buyers of Hummers.
4. Your claim to being "directly" affected by Hummer buyers, if true, would be irrelevent. If such a wide brush is applied then there is little human activity that would not "affect" your life -- given such a dilation of definition applied to the butterfly effect you, perhaps subconsciously, imply.
5. There is no right to "travel freely" -- not even in the Emerald Isle.:-) Yours, Issodhos
"When all has been said that can be said, and all has been done that can be done, there will be poetry";-) -- Issodhos
lets see now 20-30 mpg hummers and other large vehicles, forcing up the price of gas and oil?
demonising the people who through their selfish choices have directly affected my life? Demonising the companies that provided and heavily promoted this "choice", Demonising such inefficient monstrosities as Hummers?
youre damn right.
In part they're slowly taking away my right to travel freely.
1. It was Hummers, not "other large vehicles" that was referenced.
2. The small number of Hummers sold to civilians are not the cause of increased gas prices.
3. The reference made by me to "demonization" was indeed confined to buyers of Hummers.
4. Your claim to being "directly" affected by Hummer buyers, if true, would be irrelevent. If such a wide brush is applied then there is little human activity that would not "affect" your life -- given such a dilation of definition applied to the butterfly effect you, perhaps subconsciously, imply.
5. There is no right to "travel freely" -- not even in the Emerald Isle.:-) Yours, Issodhos
I can demonise who i damn well please!
yours independently
Schlack
"The basic tool for the manipulation of reality is the manipulation of words. If you can control the meaning of words, you can control the people who must use the words." (Philip K.Dick)
lets see now 20-30 mpg hummers and other large vehicles, forcing up the price of gas and oil?
demonising the people who through their selfish choices have directly affected my life? Demonising the companies that provided and heavily promoted this "choice", Demonising such inefficient monstrosities as Hummers?
youre damn right.
In part they're slowly taking away my right to travel freely.
1. It was Hummers, not "other large vehicles" that was referenced.
2. The small number of Hummers sold to civilians are not the cause of increased gas prices.
3. The reference made by me to "demonization" was indeed confined to buyers of Hummers.
4. Your claim to being "directly" affected by Hummer buyers, if true, would be irrelevent. If such a wide brush is applied then there is little human activity that would not "affect" your life -- given such a dilation of definition applied to the butterfly effect you, perhaps subconsciously, imply.
5. There is no right to "travel freely" -- not even in the Emerald Isle.:-) Yours, Issodhos
I can demonise who i damn well please!
yours independently
Schlack
Of course you can. Just don't do so my implying that a defence was made by me of those you oppose.;-) Yours in defense of your natural right to extrapolate, Issodhos
"When all has been said that can be said, and all has been done that can be done, there will be poetry";-) -- Issodhos
4. Your claim to being "directly" affected by Hummer buyers, if true, would be irrelevent. If such a wide brush is applied then there is little human activity that would not "affect" your life -- given such a dilation of definition applied to the butterfly effect you, perhaps subconsciously, imply.
well arent all human life, and societies and economies in theis globalised world interdependent? doesnt action x by a lot of people have a cumilative effect on y? isnt that one of the foundations of supply and demand theory?
yous in apparent confusion
Schlack
"The basic tool for the manipulation of reality is the manipulation of words. If you can control the meaning of words, you can control the people who must use the words." (Philip K.Dick)
The only Hummers that get 30 miles per gallon are diesel powered, and modified by competent mechanics like Kansas City's own Jonathan Goodwin. A stock Hummer H-1, like the one originally popularized by Ahh-nold der Guvernator, gets nine miles per gallon and has about two hundred horsepower. H-2 and H-3 models are all gasoline powered, an enormous mistake but typical of G-M's historically lazy approach.
Since they couldn't get the H-1's diesel to meet new pollution standards they simply scrapped the entire line for retail and "went running home to Momma" by plopping an ordinary 5.7 liter V-8 GM truck motor into a pussified Detroit built gasoline version, a candy-assed Hummer, if you will.
The H-2 gets even worse mileage than the H-1 when you stick your foot to the floor, almost ONE mile per gallon!
The H-3 fancies itself as the responsible citizen at a blistering 18 miles per gallon on the freeway.
But take a look at what is possible if you tweak a 6.6 liter G-M Duramax diesel V-8.
Kansas City's Jonathan Goodwin has a few vehicles he'd like you to look at:
4. Your claim to being "directly" affected by Hummer buyers, if true, would be irrelevent. If such a wide brush is applied then there is little human activity that would not "affect" your life -- given such a dilation of definition applied to the butterfly effect you, perhaps subconsciously, imply.
well arent all human life, and societies and economies in theis globalised world interdependent? doesnt action x by a lot of people have a cumilative effect on y? isnt that one of the foundations of supply and demand theory?
yous in apparent confusion
Schlack
Sure, Schlack, we are one big spider's web. A Pigmy fart in Africa thumps the web and it reverbirates across the strands until a gale force wind sweeps through an Inuit village in the northern climes of Alaska. Irrelevent? Or do we outlaw Pigmies from farting because it will affect another? Or does human action have legitimate areas within which to act while free of collectivist drivel?;-) Yours in clarity, Issodhos
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"When all has been said that can be said, and all has been done that can be done, there will be poetry";-) -- Issodhos
4. Your claim to being "directly" affected by Hummer buyers, if true, would be irrelevent. If such a wide brush is applied then there is little human activity that would not "affect" your life -- given such a dilation of definition applied to the butterfly effect you, perhaps subconsciously, imply.
well arent all human life, and societies and economies in theis globalised world interdependent? doesnt action x by a lot of people have a cumilative effect on y? isnt that one of the foundations of supply and demand theory?
yous in apparent confusion
Schlack
Sure, Schlack, we are one big spider's web. A Pigmy fart in Africa thumps the web and it reverbirates across the strands until a gale force wind sweeps through an Inuit village in the northern climes of Alaska. Irrelevent? Or do we outlaw Pigmies from farting because it will affect another? Or does human action have legitimate areas within which to act while free of collectivist drivel?;-) Yours in clarity, Issodhos
How many miles can we get to a pigmy fart?
lets see now, people selfishly and unthinkly buy up a lot of a limited resource, thus increasing the price for me.
just because the effect is indirect, or those people do not see me or indeed are not even aware of me does not lessen the impact.
not that im laying all be blame on the heads of hummer (and other low mpg vehicle owners) but they are a big part of the equation, along with other energy wasters.
Britons waste the equivalent of around two power stations' worth of electricity each year by leaving TV sets and other gadgets on standby.
Last June Environment Minister Elliot Morley, responding to an MP's question, revealed that electrical equipment in sleep mode used roughly 7TWh of energy and emitted around 800,000 tonnes of carbon.
more selfish and unthinking actions having an indirect effect upon me.
people too damn lazy and untinking to get up off their asses and turn of the TV.
reduce the cost of oil? reduce wasteful energy use.
take personal responsibility for your energy use. be aware of the wider implications of the cumulative effects of your actions and inactions.
oh and we should also start a "corks for Africa" campaign.
yours flatulently
Schlack
"The basic tool for the manipulation of reality is the manipulation of words. If you can control the meaning of words, you can control the people who must use the words." (Philip K.Dick)
