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And YOUR point would be?
My point is that we(normal folk) would GO TO JAIL! Mr. Rove apparrently will not, even though he may well be in contempt. And apprently, you don't think that he should go to prison either based on your response.
No, do you and why?
Since he refuses to testify, it seems to me that maybe he is afraid he will convict himself. Don't you think that everyone, from the President down to the common citizen should be subject to the law? FYI, I am not a liberal or a conservative. I am an Iraq war veteran who is disgusted with this administration. I say this so you can't paint me as a "liberal". I think that this administration may well have committed crimes and while it was certainly not the first to do so, maybe it should be the last.

Well, I'll be damned.

Thanks for the education!

I just realized something! Harv3 is a dyed in the wool, honest to god Bush supporter!

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The use of the preemptive pardon is now a staple of current GOP presidential operations. It was initiated by Ford, expanded by Bush I, and perfected by Bush II (a la Libby). The gloss that Bush II has provided is threefold: a) manipulate the prosecutors, b) manipulate the courts, c) manipulate and/or defy Congress (and the public). Now it is not as necessary to pardon preemptively, because any challenges can be thwarted earlier by - not prosecuting or investigating; blocking prosecutions in friendly courts; denying access to Congress in its oversight role to evidence (through destruction or withholding) or witnesses (though withholding or lying). Pardon is only a last resort when all of the other obstruction methods fail, as in the Libby situation (I have previously discussed why clemency was more efficacious than pardon in that case). Anticipate a drove of pardons on the way out, though, in the same way that dad did it - to cover the tracks.

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Harv3, please read your PM and edit your post accordingly.

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consider me informed

Being held in contempt is a long, long way from a jail sentence. Moreover, the Congressional Committee ginning up the contempt citation hasn't had the onions to level any specific charges. Oh course they hope to rummage around in Mr Rove's paperwork with a view to discovering something, anything to ground accusations of wrong-doing.
Certainly, but Mr Rove appears to have grounds to claim immunity from disclosure of lawful confidences and every reason to avoid a fishing expedition. Taking your points seriatim: We ought all be held equal before the law, your politics aren't germane, thanks for your service to our country, again your politics aren't germane. Pls forward any and all charges against the incumbent administration to the Hon Dennis John Kucinich[D-OH] who has been assembling a Bill of Impeachment against POTUS & VPOTUS[you will find a link elsewhere on this BB] and these materials may be of use to the Independent Prosecutor certain to be empowered under statute by the new Congress.

thanks for your service to our country,
I never know what to say when people "thank me" for my "service". My knee-jerk reaction is to spew all kinds of Army creole their way, but that is usually taken poorly, so I just sigh and nod. Please, will someone explain to me how my time in Iraq was somehow "serving" the country? Something besides finding WMDs that aren't and weren't there, fighting Al-Qaeda that wasn't there until after we were, etc. My career field was military intelligence(the ultimate oxymoron), maybe that explains it.