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The Hon Barack Hussein Obama[D-IL] isn't the only Democrat pol who thinks Americans need a tax increase: MINNEAPOLIS -- The 35W bridge collapse anniversary is just ten days away, and Sunday, Minnesota Congressman Jim Oberstar toured two metro area bridges.
The politician is calling for a comprehensive federal highway and bridge reconstruction program.
"We have to have a more robust investment regardless of whether the bridge collapsed. We have to make that jump from $286 to $450 billion or our economy will grind to a halt," he says.
Oberstar says the only way to get the funding to improve the nation's bridges is to raise taxes at the pump. But the proposed federal increases are sure to cause controversy when fuel prices are already breaking budgets.[snip]
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A politician calls for robust investment in infrastructure. Then he makes the observation that money will be needed to pay for it, and the money should not be stolen from other important programs.
The investment is needed. It should be paid for. What is it about responsible politicians that so disturbs you Harv3?
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I did not note any connotation of disturbance in the opening post, beechhouse. The only implication I noted is that the recognition of need for increased taxes is limited to Democrats. Republicans, apparently, are oblivious to it. Perhaps they have abandoned their age-old mantra of "balanced budget", or have decided that borrowing from China now to be paid back by future generations is a better way to go.
Indeed, it appears we are going that way whether it is better or not.
Steve Give us the wisdom to teach our children to love, to respect and be kind to one another, so that we may grow with peace in mind. (Native American prayer)
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The investment is needed. It should be paid for. What is it about responsible politicians that so disturbs you Harv3? For some, Beechhouse, it is impossible to hold the concepts of "responsible" and "politician" in the same head. I find it ironic, often, that the same people who decry courts "legislating from the bench" have no problem with the President "making up authority" that doesn't exist in the Constitution, or object to any regulation as "infringing the right to keep and bear arms," but see no contradiction when the administration unilaterally asserts the authority to wiretap without warrants, notwithstanding the Fourth Amendment's protection of "The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects..." It's the same "people" isn't it? The problem is that a legislator told the truth: we need things, and things cost money, and the money we use comes from taxpayers and there isn't enough so we need to get more money from the taxpayers. It is easier to decry the state of things, fight against any taxation, and call all legislators liars, or worse, than to acknowledge that he has a point.
A well reasoned argument is like a diamond: impervious to corruption and crystal clear - and infinitely rarer.
Here, as elsewhere, people are outraged at what feels like a rigged game -- an economy that won't respond, a democracy that won't listen, and a financial sector that holds all the cards. - Robert Reich
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The investment is needed. It should be paid for. What is it about responsible politicians that so disturbs you Harv3? For some, Beechhouse, it is impossible to hold the concepts of "responsible" and "politician" in the same head. I find it ironic, often, that the same people who decry courts "legislating from the bench" have no problem with the President "making up authority" that doesn't exist in the Constitution, or object to any regulation as "infringing the right to keep and bear arms," but see no contradiction when the administration unilaterally asserts the authority to wiretap without warrants, notwithstanding the Fourth Amendment's protection of "The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects..." It's the same "people" isn't it? The problem is that a legislator told the truth: we need things, and things cost money, and the money we use comes from taxpayers and there isn't enough so we need to get more money from the taxpayers. It is easier to decry the state of things, fight against any taxation, and call all legislators liars, or worse, than to acknowledge that he has a point. Well said!  Some of these same people are apparently oblivious to the fact that several companies are making an obscene profit off the Iraq and Afghanistan wars what with their no-bid contracts and cost plus arrangements. Funny, it's their tax money as well.
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You may find this story provides a better context for the increases the Hon James L Oberstar[D-MN] among others is contemplating: WASHINGTON -- Soaring gasoline prices are hurting Uncle Sam in the wallet too.
As motorists cut back on their driving and buy more fuel-efficient cars, the government is taking in less money from the federal gasoline tax.
The result: The principal source of funding for highway projects will soon hit a big financial pothole. The federal highway trust fund could be in the red by $3.2 billion or more next year.
The fund, set to finance about $40 billion in transportation projects next year, is increasingly strained. And the problem has taken on greater urgency as lawmakers face a backlog of projects to maintain the nation's aging interstate highway system and ease traffic congestion.
"The situation has only been exacerbated by rising fuel prices, which are causing motorists to drive less and resulting in less revenue for transportation improvements," said David Bauer, senior vice president for government relations at the American Road and Transportation Builders Assn.
California risks losing $930 million, or about a third of its federal highway allotment, Caltrans Director Will Kempton said in a letter to the state's congressional delegation. Kempton warned that unless Washington acted to address the shortfall, projects could be delayed, reduced or canceled.
In the short run, lawmakers are scrambling to figure out how to close the gap. Federal highway spending nationwide could be cut by a third beginning Oct. 1, according to the American Road and Transportation Builders Assn.[snip]
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OK... now we've identified the problem.
A well reasoned argument is like a diamond: impervious to corruption and crystal clear - and infinitely rarer.
Here, as elsewhere, people are outraged at what feels like a rigged game -- an economy that won't respond, a democracy that won't listen, and a financial sector that holds all the cards. - Robert Reich
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I seem to remember that part of the problem in the Great Depression was that consumption and trade contracted, reducing business revenue, causing further cutbacks, etc. The same thing applied to tax revenues, making how to pay for relief programs problematic.
The question is: How much longer will the world be willing to lend the USA money to cover the shortfalls?
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If the trend towards all-electric vehicles continues, we could end up in a situation where automobile drivers are paying little or no road taxes. This simply means that we may need to change from a gasolene & diesel per gallon tax to a vehicle weight & mileage-based road tax system.
But one thing most people do not know about paying for road repairs, is that almost all of the damage done to road surfaces is from large trucks. (The damage done by a vehicle is a product of the gross weight raised to a power between 2 and 3.) So road maintenance folks ignore the number of cars and simply count the big trucks on a highway to plan resurfacing and pothole repair costs.
The road costs directly associated with smaller vehicles like cars, motorcycles, and small pickups are almost all just the cost to build the road to begin with. So it would be fair to charge a single up-front fee for each new vehicle when it was first sold, to pay for that vehicle's share of initial road building costs. Then the maintenance costs could come from recurring taxes on the vehicles actually making most of the maintenance necessary, by charging for all vehicles by the mile times their weight squared.
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I'm still having difficulty identifying what is the problem here. Sure, there will be less revenues collected from fuel taxes if people are driving less and doing so in smaller vehicles. But wouldn't there also be less expenditures necessary due to reduced wear and tear on the highways if people are driving less and doing so in smaller vehicles? And wouldn't there be a correspondingly lesser need for new roads if people are driving less and doing so in smaller vehicles?
To my mind, the real problem will be in finding gainful employment for all those highway maintenance workers who are accustomed to being paid a handsome eight-hour wage for working an hour or two a day and spending the rest of the day sucking their thumbs while watching other workers on their ridiculously oversized crews working their hour or two.
You've all seen it. I know you have! And I suspect some of you, like me, have thought when you've seen it "Aha! My highway taxes at work!"
Steve Give us the wisdom to teach our children to love, to respect and be kind to one another, so that we may grow with peace in mind. (Native American prayer)
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