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Harv3 #68658 07/23/08 05:33 PM
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No, Harv3, and a crude distraction. She was quite clear that those who have benefited most from the economic structure should contribute the most to it, which is not what is currently happening. Those who have gotten the most from the system are providing proportionately less. The corollary would be: To each according to his contribution, from each according to his benefit. Trying to distract and name-call is not addressing the substance.


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Originally Posted by NW Ponderer
No, Harv3, and a crude distraction.
One person's opinion.
Originally Posted by NW Ponderer
She was quite clear that those who have benefited most from the economic structure should contribute the most to it, which is not what is currently happening. Those who have gotten the most from the system are providing proportionately less.
To the contrary, those with high incomes contribute disproportionately to income tax revenues.
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The corollary would be: To each according to his contribution, from each according to his benefit. Trying to distract and name-call is not addressing the substance.
Regret you were "distracted"; this correspondent will attempt to avoid such distracting material in future. Please detail specific nature of "name-calling" for my instruction. Thanx in advance. smile

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Originally Posted by NW Ponderer
No, Harv3, and a crude distraction. She was quite clear that those who have benefited most from the economic structure should contribute the most to it, which is not what is currently happening. Those who have gotten the most from the system are providing proportionately less. The corollary would be: To each according to his contribution, from each according to his benefit. Trying to distract and name-call is not addressing the substance.
Thanks, NWP. That is exactly the point I was trying to make.

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"From each, according to his ability; to each, according to his need."
A thought attributed to a well-known late 19th Century political philosopher, how original. wink
Yep Harv, it's not original but nope that school of thought goes further back than that and might be where he (Karl Marx) got it....Acts 4:34 and 35 in the New Testament.




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Yep Harv, it's not original but nope that school of thought goes further back than that and might be where he (Karl Marx) got it....Acts 4:34 and 35 in the New Testament.

indeed thats not the only similarity

[Linked Image from marxists.org]


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coincidence? I think not.



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ahem

moving swiftly on



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Proportionality .

I observe that very many leaders of corporatations feel that their compensation package should be proportional to the value they have created in the company.

When it comes to taxes, these same people would feel that their tax burden should not be similarly proportional to the amount of benefit (income) these individauls have derived from the economic system.

It seems the concept of "fairness" changes depending on whether it will be used to calculate income or expense.


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Originally Posted by olyve
Yep Harv, it's not original but nope that school of thought goes further back than that and might be where he (Karl Marx) got it....Acts 4:34 and 35 in the New Testament.
Then one supposes you profess to Luke 18:22? smile

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To the contrary, those with high incomes contribute disproportionately to income tax revenues.
Isn't that where the thread began, Harv? The WSJ skewed some data to show this to be the case. I skewed the same data to show that people with low incomes contribute disproportionately to income tax revenues. I have my opinion, the WSJ has theirs. Obviously you agree with theirs. But it is still an opinion based on data.


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Originally Posted by Harv3
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Yep Harv, it's not original but nope that school of thought goes further back than that and might be where he (Karl Marx) got it....Acts 4:34 and 35 in the New Testament.
Then one supposes you profess to Luke 18:22? smile
Harv, I don't "profess" to ANY part of the Bible as a rule but I do acknowledge and admire certain parts of wisdom from it(in my opinion of course) as I see them.

I'll check out your reference tomorrow.
I'm sure it is revealing.




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Originally Posted by Schlack
[Linked Image from i180.photobucket.com]

ahem

moving swiftly on
So this is the image of the late, great JC as worshipped in Ireland? crazy

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