Originally Posted by Ardy
...Our "right" to live is meaningless without society: there is no meaningful right to live if you are floating alone in shark infested waters.
Nor is there one if you are attacked by a single shark while swimming off of a beach crowded with people and staffed by lifeguards paid by some state agency.

The argument is a straw man. Heinlein used the same type in his exposition of the justification for the particular social system described in Starship Troopers.

The "inalienable rights" concept of Jefferson et al. was not intended to be argued in opposition to a force of nature; it was argued in opposition of the authority of the state - however constituted - to arbitrarily and/or unnecessarily deprive the person of the ability to exercise his liberty.


Life should be led like a cavalry charge - Theodore Roosevelt