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MA_R, you are really reaching. To say the Nazis are as close to Dems as possible exhibits an abysmal lack of knowledge or a bias so putrid I really cannot fathom how you reached that point.
This is exactly the kind of name calling that disgusts me to the point of once again skipping over your crap. I never implied or stated that. What I stated was that the Nazi Party was socialist and that by political definition socialism and American Democrats are closely related in political theory. Besides, where was this outrage when right wing talk radio was blamed for the killings inside a church? Do you think the people who dies would rather be accused of being a nazi rather than being dead?
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What I find truly appalling is the idea that one seriously troubled man with a gun in a church full of people becomes, within a few days, grist for political mudslinging like what's happening with this thread. And we wonder why nobody ends up solving problems?
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Actually the Shoe Bomber was Muslim, a group that is especially protected by the left now that Barack H Obama, the neo-savior, is your candidate. Sick is sick and politics have nothing to do with it. The Nazi's were socialists, as close to an American Dem as political definitions can come. His allies were totalitarians, with hate crimes and hate speech laws your party is coming dangerously close to regulating free speech and personal behavior. Hitler practiced character assasination, look what you guys are doing to Cheney, DeLay, Clinton, McCain, the NY Times, Fox News and protecting left wing nuts like Jimmy Carter and Sandy Berger... why you are making rags like the National Enquirer and NewsMax look moderate at times. what did you say about character assassination? my word Ma_Rep, your satirical skills are impressive. Every word is true. What did I say that wasn't true? To assasinate somebody's character you have to tell people falsehoods. Socialism and Democratic policy is very close to each other, all the way to limiting the amount of money somebody can make in order to redistribute it to the lesser classes. Hate crimes are decriminatory by definition and no different than what was imposed in Germany in the 1930's. The desired effects are different, but the concept of favoring one class of people over another is exactly the same and all one has to do is read the daily Kos to understand the character assasination thatthe mainstream Dems apply on to the Republican Party. I was not the person who introduced Hitler into this converstion, all I am doing is pointing out the simalarities in policy between the two. Do I believe that they are ven remotely a like? Of course not, but the road to hell is paved with ...Sometimes, good intentions go bad.
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Godwin's Law hereby invoked.
The shooter was a garden variety nutjob who, like others of his ilk, found a sort of liberation in the writings of his favorite
radical commentators.
I suspect that there are equal numbers of radical nutjobs on both sides of the spectrum, but in this particular case we've happened upon one who aligned himself with the policies of the extreme neocon right.
I don't hold the Michael Savages and Sean Hannitys responsible for his actions but I do counsel those who deem their "wisdom" legitimate to hold them to the same litmus test I demand of those who hold their polar opposites in high esteem, that is to say: what would the world be like if we really took to action all their exhortations?
Well, it would be much like what we saw happening in Knoxville, or any other incident in which some random nutjob failed to distinguish between the wild nonsensical ramblings of a media pundit and reality.
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Agreed he was an imbalanced person and also agreed that no commentator can be blamed, right left or otherwise.
However, I am convinced that we live in toxic times. Even on this site, heavily moderated as some say, there is often a level of vitriol that is disturbing.
In recent years I have worked at lowering my own posting temperature, and while admitting imperfection at best, try very hard to know that stating my opinions with vehemence adds nothing to the situation.
It is the atmosphere, from left and right, that worries me, not whether this guy was incited or not.
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The Nazi's were socialists, as close to an American Dem as political definitions can come. Amusing revisionism. Stalinism emerged from the left, while Nazism is a demon from the right, as is Fascism, the Is-Lamo-Fashionists, notwithstanding. Senator Obama is hardly a 'leftist' by any classical sense of the word, just as McCain is hardly a classical conservative. These are simply derogations without substance, intended only to incite and inflame the ignorant. The Democratic Party does not hold Muslims to an especially protected class. A majority of them instead posit that they are human beings, and as such deserve their natural rights, which assuredly includes a right to habeas corpus, a public presentment of charges, and a public trial which adhered to due process of law, in which a jury of 12 dutifully sworn American citizens found them to be guilty as charged before the state may righteously strip away life, liberty or property. Now what was it you were saying about the left stealing our liberties?
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This man is clearly not Criminally Insane. He premeditated his murderous rampage, and fully expected it to end with his death at the hands of police. He was fully cognizant of it being a criminal act. He should be charged and convicted of murder one.
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Nazism, commonly known as National Socialism (German: Nationalsozialismus),[1][2][3][4] refers primarily to the ideology and practices of the Nazi Party under Adolf Hitler; and the policies adopted by the government of Nazi Germany from 1933 to 1945, a period also known as the Third Reich.[5][6][7][8] The official name of the party was Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei[9] (NSDAP) — “National Socialist German Workers’ Party”. The Nazis were one of several historical groups that used the term National Socialism to describe themselves, and in the 1920s they became the largest such group. Nazism is generally considered by scholars to be a form of fascism, and while it incorporated elements from both political wings, it formed most of its temporary alliances on the political right.[10] Among the key elements of Nazism were anti-parliamentarism, ethnic nationalism, racism, collectivism,[11][12] eugenics, antisemitism, opposition to economic liberalism and political liberalism,[13][14][12] anti-communism, and totalitarianism. The above description puts Nazism more along the lines of the political right, rather than the political left-which is usually associated with Liberlism, communism and socialism.  But to get back to the original intent of the thread. This man was deeply disturbed. He focused on an external occurence and put the blame on it, instead of looking within.
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Perhaps I should clarify my use of the word "insane," a knight. I don't mean it in a legal sense, but rather in the sense that anyone in normal society who shoots individuals who are not actively threatening him is, ipso facto, neither rational nor sane. I'm sure I'll get clobbered for that definition & I'm sure I've left something out that will upset someone, but - .
It's a highly personal and highly subjective definition, I realize -- but it's what I meant, certainly in the context of this discussion.
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What did I say that wasn't true? This: was Muslim, a group that is especially protected by the left now that Barack H Obama, This: the neo-savior This: is your candidate. This: The Nazi's were socialists This as close to an American Dem as political definitions can come. This: with hate crimes and hate speech laws your party is coming dangerously close to regulating free speech and personal behavior. This: left wing nuts like Jimmy Carter the concept of a real left wing socialist party in the USA is laughable. there is no left in america on the federal stage. in fact the old nomenclatures of left and right are essentially meaningless these days.
"The basic tool for the manipulation of reality is the manipulation of words. If you can control the meaning of words, you can control the people who must use the words."
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