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When Will We Ever Learn? When Will We Ever Learn?


In the wake of the Great Market Crash of 1929, The Roosevelt administration brought in stringent regulations restraining the wheeling-and-dealing of the financial market vampires.

In my 1950's high school American history textbook it said that a financial colapse like the Great Depression could never occur again because the financial markets were now well supervised and regulated.

Ever since the Reagan years, these regulations have been systematically dismantled, especially by the Republican Congress of the 1990's. The "Invisible Mind of the Marketplace" has had free-rein ---- and behold the result!

Please! Mr. Gorbachov! Come and save America from its "Era of Stagnation!"
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“Companies are much worse than you think,” says Carl Icahn on Fast Money. "I go to these board meetings and I don’t have to watch Saturday Night Live anymore because they’re so crazy. The boards are completely out of it.”

Ichan feels that CEO’s have a lot in common with the guys who were president of the college fraternity. They were well liked but not particularly smart. Most were political animals afraid to be around smart guys who might show them up.

Well, those are the same guys who went to work in corporate America and as Ichan says, "eventually you end up with all morons running the company."

from: Companies Are Worse Than You Think

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Here is an article from Germany, Der Spiegel ONLINE:

INSULATED FROM THE MAYHEM: Little Crisis for Europe's Banks

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While U.S. banks took on lucrative risks, European banks have played it safe. Now Old World institutions are more likely to be buying.

Suddenly, stodgy banks are looking smart. And with former Wall Street giants toppling almost daily, some European banks are starting to look especially wise.

European banks are holding up pretty well amid the turmoil sweeping the industry. None of the Old World's biggest banks appears likely to fail or put itself on the block, analysts say. Indeed, the Europeans are more likely to be buying: London-based Barclays on Sept. 17 inked a $1.75 billion cash deal to buy the investment banking and trading businesses of bankrupt Lehman Brothers.

Another London-based bank, HSBC Holdings, has been mentioned as a potential buyer for crisis-racked Morgan Stanley, though HSBC won't comment.

HSBC stands for: Hongkong and Shanghai Banking Corporation
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Is it not the role of a government to stabilize the economy of the country? What benefit do the people of USA have from a prolonged recession?

No. It is not the role of government (meaning me) to support the financial gambling of others. I would rather see the entire system go to failure so that we can get back to some sort of honesty.


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BTW, this fits neatly into the prediction of Shock Doctrine by Naomi Klein. This is the turn over of debt to the public will allow those with wealth to step in and acquire incredibly large profits.


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"How will the financial crisis develop?"

"IT" WON'T-IF-

"We,the [300 million]People" RECIEVE A "REBATE".

A "cool million" "Apiece".

$300,000,000.

"Chump change" REALLY.


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Assumption: This débâcle will wind up costing three trillion dollars. This is enough money to provide a $100,000 mortgage to 30 million people ---- one-tenth of the American population ---- far more than than the number of people who will default on their mortgages in the present circumstances.

Could this money have been spent more wisely giving $100,000 to needy people buying houses, rather than making fat-cats yet more obese?

Just asking.

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Originally Posted by mama
You can fool some of the people all of the time and all of the people some of the time,but you can't fool all of the people all of the time.[A. Lincoln]

 "You can fool some of the people all the time, and those are the ones you want to concentrate on." 
---- President George W. Bush, Gridiron Club dinner, March 2001
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Here is Al Jazeera's take on the crisis:

How the Financial Bubble Burst

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The roots of the panic in financial markets around the world are deep and complex but they lie in the convergence of three factors.

Millions of people pursuing the "American dream" of home ownership, politicians and regulators who dismantled a system of financial safeguards and then ignored warnings of impending disaster and financial markets and institutions disregarding risk in their headlong pursuit of profit.

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But something else was at work as the housing bubble grew: The US government, under the sway of the free-market, anti-regulation ideology, had begun to systematically dismantle rules and regulations established after the Great Depression of the 1930s.

In 1999, the US congress and Bill Clinton, the former president, repealed laws designed to stop financial crashes - saying markets should regulate themselves.

Why?

Lawrence Mitchell, the author of The Speculation Economy: How Finance Triumphed Over Industry says it was the triumph of ideology over caution.

"Since Ronald Reagan became president in 1980, free markets have been preached in this country as being our economic salvation," Mitchell says.

" 'Government regulation' we've been told, 'is bad, it's evil, and the government doesn't know what it's doing economically'."

" 'It should be out of people's business'. That's nonsense, but that was the ideology that was driving it. 'Regulation is bad, free market is good'."

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The problem then was not, and is not now, about houses. It's about credit — or the lack of it.

With so much bad debt out there - and no one really knows how much there is - banks around the world have become extremely risk-averse.

They've stopped lending money to individuals, businesses and even each other.

Unable to get loans, Lehman Brothers, the fourth-largest US investment bank, went belly up.

Central banks have by now pumped hundreds of billions of dollars into the global financial system, but the flow of credit, known as liquidity, has slowed to a sluggish trickle.

For the first time since the 1930s, a true, systemic financial crisis is under way. 

That's why the US government is considering sweeping and costly measures to buy up millions of bad mortgages.

But while the plans announced late this week seem to have boosted confidence on Wall street, no one really knows what will happen next.

"It could get a lot worse, said Mitchell, gloomily.

"I haven't read any significant empirical evidence to suggest we are anywhere near the bottom."

"Where's the bottom?" I asked him.

He replied: "The bottom could be very deep."

"I really don't want to know."


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Here is Al Jazeera's take on the crisis:

How the Financial Bubble Burst

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"Where's the bottom?" I asked him.

He replied: "The bottom could be very deep."

"I really don't want to know."

Well, Al Jezzera provided an amazingly excellent summary of the problems. Too bad they have no insight into middle east problems.. . crazy


All that said, the comment about the bottom is an interesting one to consider. You can have an amazingly heavy ship that floats majestically over a very deep bottom. Once the ship starts sinking, the bottom can indeed be VERY deep. On the other hand, if there is a way to keep the ship afloat, then there is not requirement that the bottom need be explored. And, IMO, that is the effort that the Treasury and the Fed are currently undertaking.

It is a prodigious and expensive effort to keep the ship afloat. But in the end, it is less expensive than letting the ship sink.

And, by the way, although there may be some satisfaction in saying that the ship should be allowed to sink because of the negligence of the crew and owners... the fact remains that the passengers will go down with the crew.


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