Okay Folks-

I know I've been gone for a great while, but when I came back to the Rant this morning, what do I find???

A big mess...

First, a couple of questions...

Issodhos-

Do you really believe that jumbled rambling from this William Lind guy? Apparently you have some sort of anti-Obama bias, since you state:
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From riding the faux peace pony through the primaries in order to win the Party's nomination, to now adorning himself with the raiment of America's next Warrior-in-Chief, Obama, like his predecessors, are nothing if not ethically flexible.:-)

What gives with this? Do you really think that Obama is secretly planning to gird himself in American military might to go out & whip ass in the Iran/Afghanistan/Pakistan area, thereby creating the next apocalyptic World War singlehandedly?? crazy

OR

Have you mistaken Obama with someone who DOES have the imperial hubris and foreign policy cluelessness to actually accomplish what you so glaringly accuse Obama of doing:
Hmm

George Bush and John McCain.


Seems like you might need to go back & reconsider what you're saying, because in this whole long, arduous electoral process of the last eighteen months or so, the ONLY people who have come out and categorically stated that they would militarily target Iran without question are:

George Bush and John McCain.

See what I mean? I mean, if you're going to imply (from that quote of Lind's) that Obama is ethically flexible, then maybe it would suit to imply someone out there is historically challenged... grin

Whether that's you or Mr. Lind, I'm not sure......


And Steve:

Good to see you out there! I remember you as a pretty thoughtful guy, but I just have to ask you, considering your quote:
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Mr. Lind brings up the pertinent statements, IMO, that need to be considered in reference to the foreign policy we can expect from an Obama Administration.

That sounds reasonable to me as well, but you don't honestly think that Mr. Lind actually has a real clue when it comes to divining Obama's potential foreign policy initiatives, do you??? LOL

And look, if we're going to cherry-pick Obama's comments from his AIPAC speech as potential indicators of his foreign policy, we might as well have:

Obama's AIPAC speech transcript

I don't know about you, but I like having the item in question there to peruse, rather than let some wingnut like Lind attempt to extrapolate it for me....

As a quick aside, let me just state that after having re-read Obama's speech to AIPAC, I don't see what Lind is raving about. Attacking Iran? No, just the opposite- a long and determined series of diplomatic and economic alternatives are laid out first, and then the threat of military force if all else fails. Funny how wingnuts like Lind garble those options to reflect those of their own:
George Bush and John McCain.

Oh, and one more thing:

Issodhos, please remember that if you're going to quote people who spout such crass lies about Obama such as:
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As I have said repeatedly and will keep on saying, an attack on Iran could cost us the whole army we have in Iraq. It could set the region on fire, from Afghanistan to the Nile. It could create an oil crisis with severe economic consequences at a time when the world economy is tottering. It is, in short, madness. But it is also what Obama promised AIPAC.


then I would be prepared to listen to truths told about McCain's bankrupt foreign policy cowboyism, which is just an extension of not only Bush's but the Republican Party's bellicose and maladjusted foreign policy stylings of the last seven years and change.

And be careful out there... other people are watching... devil

Last edited by Lord_Subudei; 09/21/08 03:54 AM.

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