Originally Posted by Lord_Subudei
See what I mean? I mean, if you're going to imply (from that quote of Lind's) that Obama is ethically flexible, then maybe it would suit to imply someone out there is historically challenged... grin

Whether that's you or Mr. Lind, I'm not sure......

Oh my, Lord Subudei, I am not basing it on Lind's comments. I am basing it on Senator Obama's words. Since you are new or newly returned, and I do not have the necessary time to fully bring you up to speed on what I have written in the past that I think substantiates his ethical flexibility I will refer you to a previous thread and also repeat myself here.

Now where was I. Oh! Yes -- Mr. "Change" seems more and more like the same ol’ same ol’ when the rhetorical fluff is brushed aside, even militarily. The following is from Senator Obama’s website. I have highlighted the pertinent parts, which indicate that Senator Obama will be following in the footsteps of his predecessors when it comes to the use of the military.

His claim that we have an "incontrovertible commitment" to the security of Israel will require the continued presence of the Sixth Fleet and its support facilities in the Med. He will continue the conversion of the National Guard from a home guard to a rapid overseas combat deployment force, the only purpose for which is the continued projection of military power into far-flung regions of the world. He will increase the size of ground forces – again indicating no reduction in our overseas military footprint. He will emphasis language training for the military, again indicating his ‘vision’ of American troops being used in brushfire conflicts where it is beneficial to “win the hearts” of the local populous. He will maintain a NATO mission, which has been converted from a defense pact to an aggressor force, etcetera, etcetera, and etcetera. No wonder the Establishment crowd let him get into the ring.:-)

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Expand our Diplomatic Presence: …He will expand our foreign service, and develop the capacity of our civilian aid workers to work alongside the military.


Strengthen NATO: Obama will rally NATO members to contribute troops to collective security operations, urging them to invest more in reconstruction and stabilization operations, streamlining the decision-making processes, and giving NATO commanders in the field more flexibility.


· Expand the Military: We have learned from Iraq that our military needs more men and women in uniform to reduce the strain on our active force. Obama will increase the size of ground forces, adding 65,000 soldiers to the Army and 27,000 Marines.

· New Capabilities: Obama will give our troops new equipment, armor, training, and skills like language training. He will also strengthen our civilian capacity, so that our civilian agencies have the critical skills and equipment they need to integrate their efforts with our military.

· Strengthen Guard and Reserve: Obama will restore the readiness of the National Guard and Reserves. He will permit them adequate time to train and rest between deployments, and provide the National Guard with the equipment they need for foreign and domestic emergencies. He will also give the Guard a seat at the table by making the Chief of the National Guard a member of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.

· Ensure a Strong U.S.-Israel Partnership: Barack Obama strongly supports the U.S.-Israel relationship, believes that our first and incontrovertible commitment in the Middle East must be to the security of Israel, America's strongest ally in the Middle East. Obama supports this closeness, stating that that the United States would never distance itself from Israel.


· Stop the Genocide in Darfur: … Obama believes the United States needs to lead the world in ending this genocide, including by imposing much tougher sanctions that target Sudan?s oil revenue, implementing and helping to enforce a no-fly zone, and engaging in more intense, effective diplomacy to develop a political roadmap to peace. The international community must, over the Sudanese regime?s protests, deploy a large, capable UN-led and UN-funded force with a robust enforcement mandate to stop the killings.

· Consultative Group: …. This group will meet with the president once a month to review foreign policy priorities, and will be consulted in advance of military action.

The source originally used was Senator Obama's official website, but it's has been altered since then.

Now, what would real change be? What would a non-militarist peace candidate do? Severely reduce our overseas military footprint throughout the world. Disband NATO. Pull ground forces out of Iraq and the rest of the Middle East. Do this within a 24-month time frame. Instruct the Joint Chiefs of Staff to develop a defense strategy with priority on defending America from attack and de-emphasizing force projection as a political tool, and to do it with the expectation that the military budget is going to be reduced 10 percent per year until it is at an inflation-adjusted minimum of 60 percent of what it was in 2000. The National Guard would of course return to its mandated mission to be performed within the borders of the US.

In short, we would begin to mind our own business and we would begin to restrict the federal government to the authority and powers it was given permission to exercise in the Constitution. Radical stuff, wot?:-)
Yours,
Issodhos
p.s. Did I forget to mention that he says he is going to keep troops in Iraq and nearby – just in case.;-)

Last edited by issodhos; 09/21/08 05:46 AM.

"When all has been said that can be said, and all has been done that can be done, there will be poetry";-) -- Issodhos