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I feel that America better start looking at a population control as a way of diverting a future resource crisis. In order to promote a smaller family size, I propose that only one child be allowed to be deductible for each mother and father - married or not at tax time and that all dependent tax breaks be disallowed for future children to each parent beyond one child.
I also feel that States should only pay to educate one child per man and woman and all other children be 100% financed by their parents given that States spend so much of their fiscal budget on education.
The time is now to start thinking about how we are going to deal with our limited resources, and I feel that population control is an excellent way of dealing with future limited resources.
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IMO we could get pretty far along in solving the problem if we simply established a "defense" budget that was appropriate for defending the nation as opposed to inflicting imperial hegemony on the world around us.
IMO population control is not even remotely in the scope of problems our nation will be addressing in the next ten years.
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Just like any other beast of the forest natural population control will begin to take effect as resource management fails. It isn't a pretty thought.
Fundies simply can't get out of the "Go forth and multiply" mode, or would you call it a "rut"? as evidenced by Governess Pallins brood which begins to breed anew as soon as ovaries kick into gear.
Hard times are comin', for you, for me and for the Polar Bears.
Boy, Ardy, you're right about that "defense" budget which must laughably be placed in quotation marks since it has nothing at all to do with defense. Bring the boys home and put 'em to work rebuilding the power grid with that money.
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Here are other solutions perhaps less draconian in nature --
- Taxation of housing square footage per person over legally established maximum
- Serious taxation on wealth
- Obesity tax
- Transportation tax based on usage of private vehicles
- Tax credits for saving, tax penalty for credit usage
- Water tax for over-legally-established maximum per person
- Pricing of meat, other high-resource foods at actual cost
- Tax on food shipped more than, oh, 400 miles
Any or all of these would cause serious squawking - but the first step in dealing with limited resources should always be conservation. I am quite certain that there are any number of poor people in this country who could raise half-a-dozen children with the resources it takes to raise one or two pampered prep-school "snowflakes" (what my professor friend calls her less-independent college students.)
Further, those half-dozen could easily be housed in apartments requiring fewer resources than the average McMansion.
There are many ideas; my suggestion would be that we should pick some of the least painful/most reasonable and implement them immediately. That might be water and fuel taxes. The first steps will be to teach the population that this is no longer a country of limited resources.
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Good ideas Julia, what I would like to see out of this (hopefully) newly elected democratic government are back to basics common sense reforms. The handwriting is on the wall, it is written clearly and succinctly. We cannot continue on this path.
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Here are other solutions perhaps less draconian in nature --
- Obesity tax   Of course you are correct Julia, even though I cannot imagine any of these things actually happening. I personally would like a tax on packaging materials
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I feel that America better start looking at a population control as a way of diverting a future resource crisis. In order to promote a smaller family size, I propose that only one child be allowed to be deductible for each mother and father - married or not at tax time and that all dependent tax breaks be disallowed for future children to each parent beyond one child. For the most part, the American population has responded to quelching the rising population and the domestic numbers have remained steady for the last several years. Unfortunately, the global capitalists have engineered a situation that utilizes slave wage labor (who can't vote but who can continue to raise the demand for new housing) by doing virtually nothing about illegal or legal immigration. It must be said of course that people flow where the money flows and the neocons in cooperation with the Democratic party have created a situation that forced Mexican farmers off their lands and into the cities where 75% unemployment is common. They get their cheap labor that has no voice. They get their continued demand for new housing that is critical to the economy, despite Americans declining birth rates. They get their primary goal of pepetual growth on the backs of the poor. When that all hits the fan, something convenient like the bird flu or another false flag will take care of the the necessary population decline.
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It must be said of course that people flow where the money flows and the neocons in cooperation with the Democratic party have created a situation that forced Mexican farmers off their lands and into the cities where 75% unemployment is common. Sources please?
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It's called Nafta. Do you really need a source to know what NAFTA is or how it has impacted the working people of Mexico? http://www.workers.org/2008/world/mexico_0214/Tens of thousands of peasants and farmers converged from all over Mexico with their tractorcades, motorcades and other vehicles on Mexico City on Jan. 31. They were joined by labor activists from prominent militant unions in a tremendous show of unity between workers in the cities and the fields. Their demand: Repeal the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA). With this action, the Mexican peasants highlight a worldwide phenomenon that you will never hear described in the vicious diatribes of right-wing pundits like Lou Dobbs or the Republican candidates who attempt to scapegoat immigrants for society’s ills. More than 180 million workers around the planet have been forced out of their homelands in the recent period as a result of capitalist economic policies in one of the biggest mass migrations in human history. This source is from 2003, but it talks about what will happen in 2008. http://www.globalexchange.org/campaigns/ftaa/503.htmlMexico's astounding population growth - which doubled its population in a generation to about 100 million - put even more pressure on the border. Most of these immigrants come from Mexico's poor farm regions, which have been hurt by NAFTA. Last summer, as the Jan. 1, 2003, deadline for the removal of tariffs from farm products approached, Mexican officials began sounding the alarm. On New Year's Day, well-subsidized U.S. farmers began selling wheat, rice, potatoes, pork, apples and barley to Mexico duty-free. Under this pressure, Mexico's subsistence farmers are doomed. "We are facing the prospect of 4 or 5 million peasant farmers deciding that their only option is to cross into the United States," Rodolfo Garcia Zamora of the Autonomous University of Zacatecas told Copley News Service reporter Jerry Kammer. The situation will get worse in five years when final tariffs are removed on corn, the farm staple that accounts for 55 percent of Mexico's cultivated land. If Mexico's unemployed rice and barley farmers seek to cross the border, what happens when its 4 million corn farmers are out of business? That's what free trade is all about, you say: winners and losers. Overall, NAFTA has been a boon for Mexico, transforming a $1.6 billion U.S. trade deficit in 1993 to a $31 billion U.S. trade surplus in 2002. Mexican farmers may be hurting, but Mexican
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