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Originally Posted by Ken Hill
[quote] But if lenders are unwilling to lend, or funds simply are not available, we indeed have a problem.

Lenders are willing to lend but they now focus on FHA/VA loans like they did in the 1950s.

For the company I work at, government business accounts for over 50% of loans originated now. At the peak of the real estate bubble it was less than 3%. (and I don't work for a small company)

The problem right now is that people are not willing to buy homes. They think the market will still go down and they would rather wait until they see some sign of property values not declining. Once the prices level off or start to go up a little bit you'll see a lot more buying of real estate.


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Originally Posted by Ken Hill
But if lenders are unwilling to lend, or funds simply are not available, we indeed have a problem.

As I understand it, the "problem" is far beyond the mortgage market. Banks etc have certain regulations they have to follow regarding how much capital they have on hand as against their loan portfolio. Once that drops as it has, they no longer have the ability to lend until they can get more capitol. And if the cannot sell these illiquid loaned, that starts freezing up their loans. And this freeze extends beyond mortgage lending to include normal business lending. And so, as I understand it, we are now in a position where businesses are having a hard time getting very normal sorts of loans that they use to fund their day to day operations. At least that is what I understand.


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Originally Posted by kap17
The problem right now is that people are not willing to buy homes. They think the market will still go down and they would rather wait until they see some sign of property values not declining. Once the prices level off or start to go up a little bit you'll see a lot more buying of real estate.

And following on that thought.... the "idea" is to help form a bottom in the market so that the renewed buying can commence.

This all depends upon somehow stopping the self-reinforcing death spiral we are now in.


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Again, back in the real world, trading was chaotic in New York, but the Dow lost "only" 160 points today. General Motors stock lost more than 7% in today's trading, and General Electric was down 4.6%.
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Our Financial 9/11: Can They Save T...tion's Rescue Plan Is Not Likely to Work

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This crisis is hardly over.

Listen to economist Nouriel Roubini who has been on target in most of his forecasts.

He predicts, according to financial writer Felix Salmon, "Credit losses of $2 trillion, half the US banking system nationalized, municipal defaults, house price declines accelerating, a sudden stop in consumer spending, global contagion, stagflation, you name it."

Roubini concludes: "At this point the perfect financial storm of the century cannot be contained. The only light at the end of the tunnel is the one of the coming financial and economic train wreck."

It is amazing that most people still have not grasped the magnitude of what is happening.

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I read his RGE Monitor website. As I have stated previously it gives one the financial willies. And as you have stated he is usually spot on. Fasten your seatbelts.


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The view from abroad. This from Der Spiegel:

The World Shouldn't Have to Bear the Burden for America's Lapses

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The US government is buying bad debt for $700 billion. Now Washington is asking other countries to jump in and help, too, but the Germans are bowing out. Believing that the rescue package sends the wrong signal, experts from the country's leading economics think tanks argue it's the right call.

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Still, the financial crisis has already reached German shores, and banks here have had to announce write-downs of nearly €40 billion ($58.5 billion). "German banks are already sufficiently involved in the calamity," says Stefan Kooths of the German Institute for Economic Research (DIW) in Berlin. Either way, experts estimate that half of America's bad loans were sold abroad -- and a large part of that was assumed by Germans. And now the money is gone. "There's no reason why Germany should have to bear even more burdens," says Kooths.

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Instead of standing in the way of a market shakeout with a cash injection worth billions, Dierich argues the Americans should find another way for the banks to get ahold of some fresh capital -- by putting up new shares for sale to secure new funding, for example. In the current crisis climate, though, no bank is going to voluntarily issue new shares because that would signal to the market that the institution is facing difficulties.

Accordingly, IWH's Dietrich suggests that the US government require all banks to issue stocks and that they be required to back up the issuance with a set amount of capital. Under these circumstances, Dietrich believes that investors would buy shares of the banks that they consider healthy and that the market would make it crystal clear which banks these were. And the institutions that are having a rough time because they can't find investors will go broke. "That step would send the right signal to the market," Dietrich says, adding that those who were performing the worst wouldn't be rewarded in such as situation -- as they are being now.

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US dollar set to be major casualty of Hank Paulson's bailout

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Whether or not tomorrow’s accounts of today’s turmoil prove David Owen of Dresdner Kleinwort right; whether or not this is the beginning of the end of the dollar’s pre-eminence in the world’s central banks and foreign exchanges, the economic landscape has undoubtedly changed forever.

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The biggest question, however, is whether the reserve managers in central banks in China and elsewhere will treat this as a justification for selling off some of their massive mountain of dollar-denominated investments. If this were to happen, it could cause a catastrophic drop in the US currency, potentially compromising its status as the world’s reserve currency.

Oh, this is a question that is difficult to answer? Ha!

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What was perhaps even more worrying for investors was an item in the small print of Hank Paulson’s rescue plan. It said that, separate to the $700bn markets rescue package, the US Treasury would plunder the Exchange Stabilisation Fund – the US currency reserves, established in the 1930s – in order to pay for an insurance scheme for the money markets.

“The Treasury has committed the nation’s FX reserves to supporting the money market industry,” said Chris Turner, head of foreign exchange strategy at ING. “That suggests to us that the dollar has fallen down the list of the administration’s priorities – a worrying development for foreign investors in the US.”

The fund’s cash is being funnelled into a new scheme designed to protect money market mutual funds, which mirrors the Federal Deposit Insurance scheme for consumers’ bank savings. “What worries us is that the US Treasury has committed the nation’s FX reserves at a time when the dollar is exceptionally vulnerable,” said Mr Turner.

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A Cascade of Ruin: Meltdown Perpetrators Position Themselves

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Wash. DC (The Intelligence Daily) -- Well, they finally did it. The Money Party exposed the nauseating underbelly of first world finance. It's a cross between a Ponzi scheme and a complex math puzzle, all geared to let those in charge rake off as much money as they can, whenever they can, while they leave us out in the cold. Unfortunately, this time their greed and lack of control has the world poised for a systemic economic meltdown.

The collapse and subsequent government rescue of home mortgage giants Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae, stock brokerage Merrill Lynch, investment bank Bear Stearns, and, an insurance company, AIG, are designed to show we're moving away from the brink of disaster to a safer place. "The system is working" to manage what Alan Greenspan is calling a once in a century event.

One thing the system might do while it's working so hard is explain why we're bailing out a stock brokerage and an insurance company? Isn't this about banks? Don't hold your breath. The corporate elite and political misanthropes who caused this are getting ready to put the final nail in the coffin of the United States economy and the livelihood of the vast majority of citizens.

This can all be summed up in the great one word speach by the late John Reed.

"Profits"

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Originally Posted by Roger Waters
"The system is working" to manage what Alan Greenspan is calling a once in a century event.

-Except that it's far more than once in a century.

1913-fiat money legislated into law
1934-gold currency and bullion confiscated
1971-gold removed from treasury standard

It's an event that's been GOING ON for a century, and the only thing that's changed is that the hood is now open and everyone can see the three cylinder tractor motor standing in for the mighty 16 cylinder turbo diesel that was advertised.

Nuff said.


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