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Gentleman, they both have experience. However, the question is to what degree are you comfortable with, a) the breadth of experience of one; and b) the type of experience of another. The argument here is not whether one has enough experience to be president, but whether that experience is enough for you to cast a vote in that direction. IMO, the arguement about experience is mistaken. Obviously you want to see some minimum level of experience as a baseline. But after that, it is not clear that more experience produces better results. I consider things like capability, decision making style, decision making values, emotional stability. Capability McCAin> Bottom 5 at Airforce Naval Academy Obama> Editor Harvard Law review Decision making style McCAin> Quick, gut decisions, high risk Obama> Analyitcal, controlled risk Decision making values McCAin> Free market is prime value Obama> General welfare is prime value Emotional stability McCAin> A bit of a hot head Obama> Cool and deliberate
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I agree with you Ardy. My point is that in the context of arguing over experience, in this case it comes down to what one is comfortable with.
What you say about capability etc.... I couldn't agree with more. Making my own observations, it is my opinion that according to the criteria you posted above, I am more comfortable with Barak Obama.
However, Didn't John McCain go to the Naval Academy?
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I agree with you Ardy. My point is that in the context of arguing over experience, in this case it comes down to what one is comfortable with. Exactly... there is no specific experience qualification that has been a historically reliable indicator of presidential performance. I am also a little reluctant to agree to use the word "comfortable." IMO this is most often the excuse that people use to give free reign to their biases. Apparently a lot of people voted for George Bush because the felt more "comfortable" with him I am sure that more than a few people will not vote for Obama because they feel a lack of an unspecified comfort factor when they look at him. 
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That is a well made point, Ardy. The word comfortable, as you posit it, suggests voting based upon emotions and does us no good.
sure, you can talk to god, but if you don't listen then what's the use? so, onward through the fog!
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there is no specific experience qualification that has been a historically reliable indicator of presidential performance. Being the Governor of a state with a large land area could be penciled in as a possible indicator of ineptitude.
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I have always been curious when people bring up the idea of Presidential experience. Just exactly what kind of experience does one need to have the "right" kind of experience to be President? Does any first time Presidential candidates have that kind of experience?
My take is anyone who can make decisions has the "right" kind of experience.
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Since the Prez promises to uphold the constitution I think a fair knowledge of that document and it's history are important. Whether or not you have worked within the Federal Government is not so important as having a very good understanding of how it works. How things are done and whom you may fire and whom you may not fire. Remembering what your decisions are is fairly important too as well as sticking by them or realizing you are wrong and being able to quickly admit it and change course.These are just a few things we who select the Leader of the Free World should take into account when we vote.
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A non-lawyer could be a very capable President and uphold the Constitution. But such a President might want to ensure she has appointed a very competent Attorney General and Solicitor General.
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Iss, could you please detail the experience that McCain has that Obama lacks? Phil, could you please detail the track record the junior senator from Illinois has that would indicate experience in the area NW Ponderer was referring to? Yours, Issodhos Iss No one is proposing that one should vote for Obama BECAUSE of his experience. And so there is really no cause to ask people to validate Obama's experience that is not claimed as the foundation for supporting Obama. On the other hand there is a widespread proposition that McCain is highly experienced and that the experience factor is a very important reason WHY people should support him over Obama. And so in that context the question remains: Iss, could you please detail the experience that McCain has that Obama lacks? If you refer back to NW Ponderer's post which I was responding to, you will see that he presented a list of votes that McCain made relative to military actions. He then wrote that "the same could not be said of Obama". Well, of course it could not. He has never had to vote on initiating military action (i.e., McCain has the experience in doing what NW Ponderer listed, Obama does not). NW Ponderer provided the list of McCain's experience in this area. I suggest that others take the time to read that list. Yours, Issodhos
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Iss, could you please detail the experience that McCain has that Obama lacks? Phil, could you please detail the track record the junior senator from Illinois has that would indicate experience in the area NW Ponderer was referring to? Yours, Issodhos I refer you back to NW Ponderer's list. Yours in patience, Issodhos No, you claimed McCain had experience, back it up or stop making the claim.
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