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I found this thread on another site and thought that since there are some veterans here, that I'd post it in here since the person that posted it there doesn't appear to be a member here.

Personally, I LIKE my VA Health Care just the way it is. So I sincerely hope, John McCain is defeated in his bid for the presidency.

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McCain Plan Moves Some Out of VA Care[/b]

August 22, 2008
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SAN FRANCISCO -- If John McCain is elected president, wounded veterans could be in for a world of hurt.

On the campaign trail, the Republican's presumptive nominee has talked of a new mission for the Department of Veterans Affairs, suggesting that veterans with noncombat medical problems be given vouchers to receive care at private, for-profit hospitals. [b]In other words, McCain is seeking to cut off the kind of universal health care that the government has guaranteed to veterans for generations.

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A recent study by the RAND Corporation found that "VA patients were more likely to receive recommended care" and "received consistently better care across the board, including screening, diagnosis, treatment and follow-up" than that delivered by other U.S. health care providers.

Virtually all veterans groups oppose McCain's plan. The Veterans of Foreign Wars' national legislative director has said the VA card would "undermine the entire system."

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Veterans are also skeptical of McCain's plans because as a senator, he has repeatedly voted against fully funding veterans' health care. In 2005 and 2006, McCain voted against expanding mental health care and readjustment counseling for service members returning from Iraq and Afghanistan. He also voted against efforts to expand inpatient and outpatient treatment for injured veterans, and against proposals to lower the copayments and enrollment fees that veterans must pay to obtain prescription drugs.

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My wife is hopping mad now!'
She always said she wasn't interested in politics but when I showed her that article it lit a fire under her butt.


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ouch!


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and we're surprised how?

That and Medicare.
Let's not take care of our most vulnerable or our heroes.

That's socialism.



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Boy Howdy! Senator McCain doesn't flinch when it comes to grabbing hot wires in both hands: First he announces he will cut Social Security benefits and now he wants to kick vets out of the VA Medical System.

What's next in his quest for defeat? Demonitisation of the Dollar? Replacing Sarah Palin with Zippy The Pinhead? ROTFMOL

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Originally Posted by Checkerboard Strangler
My wife is hopping mad now!'
She always said she wasn't interested in politics but when I showed her that article it lit a fire under her butt.

Good. The poster that posted it on the site where I found it, was quite upset about it too. Funny thing though, the right wingers there seemed to not care one way or the other.

Post it on as many sites as you can, CbS. We need to get this message out. McCain is not a friend of veterans.

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Originally Posted by pondering_it_all
Boy Howdy! Senator McCain doesn't flinch when it comes to grabbing hot wires in both hands: First he announces he will cut Social Security benefits and now he wants to kick vets out of the VA Medical System.

What's next in his quest for defeat? Demonitisation of the Dollar? Replacing Sarah Palin with Zippy The Pinhead? ROTFMOL

Replacing Palin with anything, even an inanimate object or a cartoon character would be a vast improvement. But I'd hate to see Zippy maligned unjustly. He IS a clown afterall.

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Originally Posted by pondering_it_all
Demonitisation of the Dollar?

-That item might be on the agenda regardless of WHO gets elected.
Everyone please remember we are only "electing" a president, not the person(s) who actually RUNS the country.

THEY do not GET "elected".

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I was pointed to this thread for my opinion. I think that there are several ways of looking at this topic, but hysteria is probably not the right way to do it. My personal interaction with the VA medical system has been very limited. The VA was a great assistance with my mother while she was declining, and then again when she was moved to hospice care. But having been through that experience, it would have been very helpful for us to have been able to work with the hospice folks and the local pharmacy to get what she needed to pass comfortably, than drive an hour to the VA, sit in lines for hours, then get what we needed and go back to the nursing home. A VA health card, similar to the medical insurance card that I carry, would have been great.

I don’t think that the idea of a VA Medical Card, that worked like an insurance card, wouldn’t necessarily be a bad thing. And I can understand Senator McCain’s desire to limit the burden on the VA staff so that they can care for their in-patient responsibilities. You have to remember, the care that each of us receive is driven by the organization paying for it. Your health insurance company dictates what you get. If the VA handles care for their patients through the CA Card the same way that they do at a VA facility, then the patient should receive the same level of care.

So, pending more details on this plan, I will withhold judgment until those details are available. Hopefully the lessons learned when Tri-Care was put in some years ago would result in a better start to this program. But as usual with anything the government does, I’m not holding my breath.


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Again, let me explain how this works within the political bipolarity:
  • The left doesn't disrespect soldiers, they instead disrespect military institutions.
  • The Right doesn't respect individual soldiers. they wave the flag about military institutions, but will wantonly slander and defame any soldier who has the temerity to speak truth to power about the evils of war.
  • Liberals attempt to smother vets with syrupy sympathies.
  • Conservatives roll down their car windows at highway offramps to curse vets unable to cope, and screech about "their money" being wasted at a VA so underfunded it cannot fulfill promises made to vets a long time ago.
It is; It has been; and It will be. This is the reality.

I direct your attention to Amendment No. 1937 to The Department of Defense Appropriations Act, 2006, introduced by Senator Debbie Stabenow (D-MI), October 5, 2005:
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Purpose: To ensure that future funding for health care for former members of the Armed Forces takes into account changes in population and inflation
It ws defeated in Senate Roll Call Vote 251 on October 5, 2005 48-51-1. The vote was an almos straight party line vote with Republicans opposing and Democrats supporting. five Republican Senators supported it:
  • Chafee (R-RI)
  • Collins (R-ME)
  • Snowe (R-ME)
  • Specter (R-PA)
  • Thune (R-SD)
One Democrat opposed it:
  • Inouye (D-HI)
Nothing changes...

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