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thank you a knight
very telling who really does care about the health and welfare of our soldiers



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And early in the Iraqi invasion, Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton introduced legislation to fully fund body and Humvee armor for all soldiers in Iraq and was voted down by the Republican majority!


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Just found this story, linked from RCP:

"The non-partisan group Disabled American Veterans gives John McCain a 20 percent rating for his voting record on veterans' issues. (It gives Barack Obama an 80 percent rating.)

The non-partisan group Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America gives McCain a "D" grade for his voting record on issues such as additional funding for combat body armor, and additional funding for post-traumatic stress disorder and other medical treatment. (Obama earned a B +.)"

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/diane-tucker/the-big-chill-cindy-mccai_b_134068.html

Even if the ratings data is off by half, it gives total lie to McCain's repeated assertions about Obama's lack of patriotism!!!


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Oh come on folks, the politicians in DC have been f*cking over veterans for 200 years. This is not a news flash. I knew that because both of my parents were Army vets from WW-II and Korea. I didn't serve back in the early 80s for the benefits. Democrats, Republicans, it doesn't matter who they are. We go out, serve our country, get wounded, and some die. They didn't do it for politicians in DC. We did it for you. We expect to get the short end of the stick. So don't start whining about our benefits now.


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Originally Posted by Lone_Hawk
I was pointed to this thread for my opinion. I think that there are several ways of looking at this topic, but hysteria is probably not the right way to do it. My personal interaction with the VA medical system has been very limited. The VA was a great assistance with my mother while she was declining, and then again when she was moved to hospice care. But having been through that experience, it would have been very helpful for us to have been able to work with the hospice folks and the local pharmacy to get what she needed to pass comfortably, than drive an hour to the VA, sit in lines for hours, then get what we needed and go back to the nursing home. A VA health card, similar to the medical insurance card that I carry, would have been great.

I don’t think that the idea of a VA Medical Card, that worked like an insurance card, wouldn’t necessarily be a bad thing. And I can understand Senator McCain’s desire to limit the burden on the VA staff so that they can care for their in-patient responsibilities. You have to remember, the care that each of us receive is driven by the organization paying for it. Your health insurance company dictates what you get. If the VA handles care for their patients through the CA Card the same way that they do at a VA facility, then the patient should receive the same level of care.

So, pending more details on this plan, I will withhold judgment until those details are available. Hopefully the lessons learned when Tri-Care was put in some years ago would result in a better start to this program. But as usual with anything the government does, I’m not holding my breath.

Thanks L_H for your opinion.

I imagine all veterans have stories to tell about their VA experiences. Mine has been nothing but positive having received far better care through the VA than I ever got through the high priced HMO I was with for years. I guess I'm just lucky in that my clinic is less than 5 miles from my home. I don't have long drives nor do I have long waits. In fact, I have been seen at my appointed time, if not earlier, in 95% of my appointments.

To the topic: As per the article, Veterans Organizations are against McCain's plan. The Rand Corporation says under the plan, we veterans would NOT receive the same level of care we do now.

So needless to say, not only am I against McCain, I'm also against McCain's plan for VA Health Care.

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Originally Posted by a knight
Again, let me explain how this works within the political bipolarity:
  • The left doesn't disrespect soldiers, they instead disrespect military institutions.
  • The Right doesn't respect individual soldiers. they wave the flag about military institutions, but will wantonly slander and defame any soldier who has the temerity to speak truth to power about the evils of war.
  • Liberals attempt to smother vets with syrupy sympathies.
  • Conservatives roll down their car windows at highway offramps to curse vets unable to cope, and screech about "their money" being wasted at a VA so underfunded it cannot fulfill promises made to vets a long time ago.
It is; It has been; and It will be. This is the reality.

I direct your attention to Amendment No. 1937 to The Department of Defense Appropriations Act, 2006, introduced by Senator Debbie Stabenow (D-MI), October 5, 2005:
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Purpose: To ensure that future funding for health care for former members of the Armed Forces takes into account changes in population and inflation
It ws defeated in Senate Roll Call Vote 251 on October 5, 2005 48-51-1. The vote was an almos straight party line vote with Republicans opposing and Democrats supporting. five Republican Senators supported it:
  • Chafee (R-RI)
  • Collins (R-ME)
  • Snowe (R-ME)
  • Specter (R-PA)
  • Thune (R-SD)
One Democrat opposed it:
  • Inouye (D-HI)
Nothing changes...

I note that Mccain's name is missing from the list of republicans who voted FOR the bill and Obama's name is missing from the democrats who voted against it.

Way to support the troops McCain.

Photo-Ops. It seems that's all they're good for to republicans. Photo-op backgrounds.

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No one has posted a link to details about the "plan" as such, I won't decide. You had appointments, I had a dying mother who needed meds. Different circumstances. And the Rand Corporation has a better track record, they probably are bidding on a contract to manage veterans health care.


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Originally Posted by Lone_Hawk
Oh come on folks, the politicians in DC have been f*cking over veterans for 200 years. This is not a news flash. I knew that because both of my parents were Army vets from WW-II and Korea. I didn't serve back in the early 80s for the benefits. Democrats, Republicans, it doesn't matter who they are. We go out, serve our country, get wounded, and some die. They didn't do it for politicians in DC. We did it for you. We expect to get the short end of the stick. So don't start whining about our benefits now.

That you have decided of your own volition to not take advantage of your earned right to health care in perpetuity, does NOT give you the right to deprive anyone else of theirs.

Ditto John McCain.

Like I said in my thread opener, I like my VA Health Care just the way it is, thank you very much.

Veterans earned their health care by serving their country. Who thinks they have the right to take that away?




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Originally Posted by Lone_Hawk
No one has posted a link to details about the "plan" as such, I won't decide. You had appointments, I had a dying mother who needed meds. Different circumstances. And the Rand Corporation has a better track record, they probably are bidding on a contract to manage veterans health care.

I have appointments. Present tense. Two this week in fact. I don't know when your mother was receiving her meds, but I can tell you that I have the option of receiving mine through the mail as does the man who talked me into signing up with the VA last year.

Maybe it's a new way of doing things. I have no idea. But it shows they are exploring options to better serve their clients.

Veterans.

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Boney,

No, I have not elected to use my veterean's benefits, because I don't need them. I'm glad that you are taking advantge of them, you earned that. Too bad that your veterans benefits are being pissed away on people that didn't do a damn thing to earn them. As someone who has spent a lot of time at Walter Reed Hospital with our kids who are severly screwed up because of their call to war. I'm glad that the VA is looking at things in a different light. Maybe this VA card will help them.


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