Originally Posted by Hekate
Pragmatism vs. principle; the perfect is the enemy of the good. Been asked to swallow a lot of that lately...
I think that in all fairness one should acknowledge the following distinction:

With respect to Obama vs. some 3rd patrty alternative (or McCain) I ADVOCATE pragmatism. I have taken a clear public position on that. I have argued the position for pragmatism ad nauseum.

With respect to the current thread, my arguement has not been in favor of "pragmatism" (IE I have not advocated accepting a pragmatic view accepting and working within societal norms which judge people based upon appearance). What I have argueds for is a conscious acknowledgement that if one were pragmatic... and more specifically if a woman were pragmatic.... the "pragmatic " option is to accept and work within societal norms which judge people based upon appearance.

I have clearly NOT advocated that anyone should make a choice of pragmatism over principal in reference to this question. And specifically, I am completely indifferent to what ever choice you may decide on thuis question. If you want to be pragmatic... it is fine with me. If you want to be principaled... it is also fine with me.

Hekate... I ask you to swallow nothing on this issue. Make yourself happy and have my blessing.


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