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Just to be clear, Jeff, i did not intend to convey that you had any obsession about matters gay.
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Keith Oberman weighs in on gay marriage. Thank you Mr. Oberman! 
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...just a thought to ponder:
California voted for proposition 2 - which, in essence, voted for giving animals "the right" not to live in small cages.
...and in the same election voted to take away the right of gays to marry.
I've always been one to appreciate irony.
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Well at least they didn't give those animals the right to marry.
Steve Give us the wisdom to teach our children to love,
to respect and be kind to one another,
so that we may grow with peace in mind.
(Native American prayer)
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...just a thought to ponder:
California voted for proposition 2 - which, in essence, voted for giving animals "the right" not to live in small cages.
...and in the same election voted to take away the right of gays to marry.
I've always been one to appreciate irony. To make matters worse, wasn't Prop 2 specific to chickens? Now, had it been for protecting puppies, it might not hurt so much. 
We are constantly invited to be who we are. Henry David Thoreau
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Yes, Prop 2 was mainly about laying hens, but it also applied to cows for veal and other farm animals kept in cages.
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Well at least they didn't give those animals the right to marry.  The point stereoman, is that animals "got rights" while certain humans had a right taken away.
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Two things. Participating in the protest on Saturday, with my son who is fervently involved and as shocked as I. Second, I read the article from Jasmyne A. Cannick in the LA Times, and if she is truly a black activist, and truly a lesbian, she is even more ignorant and dangerous than the bulk of the populace. Here is someone who should understand that it is not particular rights or particular communities that matter, it is the concept that any group or any right can be denied simply based on their status. There is a real perversion here that is saddening to me. She notes that the civil rights movement was tied to the church, which is true, but ignores the fundamental christian precept that Jesus taught - "what is done to the least of God's children is done to me." Jesus did not teach intolerance, yet this is a mindset that trips willingly down that road because "THEY" are "Less Worthy" of protection than I am. "In Germany, they came first for the Communists, And I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Communist;
And then they came for the trade unionists, And I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a trade unionist;
And then they came for the Jews, And I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Jew;
And then . . . they came for me . . . And by that time there was no one left to speak up." Martin Niemöller (1892–1984)
A well reasoned argument is like a diamond: impervious to corruption and crystal clear - and infinitely rarer.
Here, as elsewhere, people are outraged at what feels like a rigged game -- an economy that won't respond, a democracy that won't listen, and a financial sector that holds all the cards. - Robert Reich
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I thought Olbermann's special comment was one of the best I've heard on the topic. I was particularly enamored of this: If you voted for this Proposition or support those who did or the sentiment they expressed, I have some questions, because, truly, I do not understand. Why does this matter to you? What is it to you? In a time of impermanence and fly-by-night relationships, these people over here want the same chance at permanence and happiness that is your option. They don't want to deny you yours. They don't want to take anything away from you. They want what you want—a chance to be a little less alone in the world. What's so wrong about that?
A well reasoned argument is like a diamond: impervious to corruption and crystal clear - and infinitely rarer.
Here, as elsewhere, people are outraged at what feels like a rigged game -- an economy that won't respond, a democracy that won't listen, and a financial sector that holds all the cards. - Robert Reich
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Here's what Jasmyne Cannick wrote on the subject five months ago: Jasmyne Cannick Doesn't Give a Fig About Gay Marriage[The leaders of the gay marriage movement] forged ahead on the backs of the Black civil rights movement without ever instituting any of its core principles. So when Black ministers popped up on those same national television shows and in those same articles condemning the gay rights movement, Blacks were immediately labeled homophobic.
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I’d take my chances with homophobic Blacks rather than racist gays anytime . . .
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. . . there are gays and lesbians trying to figure out how to rob Peter to pay Paul, squeeze blood out of a turnip, and make money grow from trees . . . . What they see are images of wealthy white men and women to which they connect to a group of white people who used the 1960s civil rights movement as a blueprint to spearhead their own. A little more insight into her position, which I take it is not in favor of Prop 8, but in favor of understanding why so many Blacks are in favor of Prop 8. I see that distinction. And as Ms. Cannick says: . . . while I am a lesbian, I oftentimes have more in common with my heterosexual sista than I do with my white counterparts . . . I don't agree that Ms. Cannick is "even more ignorant and dangerous than the bulk of the populace". I think she has thought these things through as deeply and personally as anyone who is stridently opposed to Prop 8. I may not agree with her position (I don't), but I think it's wrong to disparage her as "ignorant" because she holds it.
Steve Give us the wisdom to teach our children to love,
to respect and be kind to one another,
so that we may grow with peace in mind.
(Native American prayer)
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