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...What they see are images of wealthy white men and women to which they connect to a group of white people who used the 1960s civil rights movement as a blueprint to spearhead their own. What's wrong with using the "civil rights movement as a blueprint to spearhead" our own rights? ...and why are gays always "white and wealthy"? I think the "wealthy" part is at the crux of issue and it's simply jealousy.Hello, we biologically can't breed. Hello, we don't have to spend money on kids. Straight people choose to perform acts which produce children. Children cost money - just as a Lexus costs more to maintain than a Hyundai. Don't hate on us because "God" gave us the inability to breed and therefore, we choose to go on fabulous vacations and drive Lexus cars instead.
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Hello, we don't have to spend money on kids. Not 100% correct, Rick...there seems to be quite a few gay couples that have adopted children or are seeking the legal right to adopt.
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...there seems to be quite a few gay couples that have adopted children or are seeking the legal right to adopt. Well for the most part, it's true - we don't want/can't have kids. Being biologically incapable of breeding only makes that job easier. I'm simply raising the money disparity issue as the lady in stereoman's quote refers to gays as "white and wealthy." I'm simply putting out there "reasons" why gays are "wealthy" and putting out there some reason why I think we are perceived as "wealthy." Well all choose to spend our incomes as we see fit.
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Steve, my commentary was written as a direct response to Ms. Cannick's piece in the LA Times. I agree she is clearly not ignorant in the sense of her lacking the intelligence to think on the issue. But she is apologizing for the behavior of voters who acted ignorantly in the sense that their viewpoint was myopic and wrong. Ms. Cannick herself expresses so many stereotypes in that piece it is breathtaking. All white gay men are wealthy? I wish she could convince my bank account of that. All white gay men are prejudiced? Maybe she could convince my partner of that. White gay men are riding on the back of the civil rights movement? As I point out in my piece she wasn't even alive when I put my life on the line for her along with thousands of other white men and women. No, there have always been those who were apologistas for prejudice and bigotry, but that doesn't elevate them to thinkers. They are just hiding their own prejudice behind lengthy explanations and nice sounding words. The black community has a lot of growing up to do and it isn't helpful to paint over their own prejudices in this manner. As this columnist puts it we need a black Elton John
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White gay men are riding on the back of the civil rights movement? Is there anything wrong with using the civil rights movement as a "blueprint"?
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White gay men are riding on the back of the civil rights movement? Is there anything wrong with using the civil rights movement as a "blueprint"? Of course not, Rick, especially since in part we helped design it.
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Of course not, Rick, especially since in part we helped design it. So why are black Americans so up and arms about gays using the civil rights movement as our "blueprint"? Shouldn't black Americans be proud of what was accomplished thru their efforts and want to share their movement with others? ...or do Black Americans simply feel that they "own" the civil rights movement? If so, Black Americans should have trademarked the idea: Civil Rights Movement®
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Maybe they should have thought of Bayard Rustin which actually did design the civil rights movement. Bayard Rustin (March 17, 1912 – August 24, 1987) was an American civil rights activist, important largely behind the scenes in the civil rights movement of the 1960s and earlier, and principal organizer of the 1963 March on Washington for Jobs and Freedom. He counseled Martin Luther King, Jr. on the techniques of nonviolent resistance. Rustin was openly gay [1] and advocated on behalf of gay and lesbian causes in the latter part of his career.
A year before his death in 1987, Rustin said: "The barometer of where one is on human rights questions is no longer the black community, it's the gay community. Because it is the community which is most easily mistreated."
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Maybe they should have thought of Bayard Rustin which actually did design the civil rights movement. Good one Phil! Perhaps you have a career in Gay Education 101. I know I have certainly learned a lot from you about our history.
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But she is apologizing for the behavior of voters who acted ignorantly in the sense that their viewpoint was myopic and wrong. I've read the essay three times now Phil. It does not come across to me as an apology for anything. It appears to me that Ms. Cannick is offering A) a reality check and B) some very good advice that the gay community as a whole would profit by if it wants to open the wider Black community to the idea of gay marriage as a civil rights issue. For example: Opponents of Proposition 8 relied on an outdated civil rights model, engaging the National Assn. for the Advancement of Colored People to help win black support on the issue of gay marriage. This happened despite the warnings of black lesbians and gays that it wouldn't work. While the NAACP definitely should have been included in the strategy, it shouldn't have been the only group. Ms. Cannick herself expresses so many stereotypes in that piece it is breathtaking. Does she? Why not quote her then, instead of paraphrasing? All white gay men are wealthy? I don't believe she comes anywhere near saying that. She does say this though: Maybe white gays could afford to be singularly focused, raising millions of dollars to fight for the luxury of same-sex marriage. But blacks were walking the streets of the projects and reaching out to small businesses, gang members, convicted felons and the spectrum of an entire community to ensure that we all were able to vote.
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. . . holding the occasional town-hall meeting in Leimert Park -- the one part of the black community where they now feel safe thanks to gentrification -- to tell black people how to vote on something gay isn't effective outreach either. To me, this looks like good advice. Please, show me where she says "white gay men are wealthy". Please. All white gay men are prejudiced? Again, Phil, if you would be so kind as to quote what Ms. Cannick said that led you to make such an accusation, I would be glad to discuss it. White gay men are riding on the back of the civil rights movement? Again, Phil, if you would be so kind as to quote what Ms. Cannick said that led to your impassioned defense of your own actions in 1957, I'd like to give it some thought. The black community has a lot of growing up to do . . . I respect and concur with your feeling that way about folks who are opposed to gay marriage. At the same time, I respect and concur with Ms. Cannick's feeling that the White community still has a lot of growing up to do. But the black civil rights movement was essentially born out of and driven by the black church; social justice and religion are inextricably intertwined in the black community. To many blacks, civil rights are grounded in Christianity -- not something separate and apart from religion but synonymous with it. To the extent that the issue of gay marriage seemed to be pitted against the church, it was going to be a losing battle in my community. This is a statement of fact, not an apology. The fact that it states is that the Black churchgoers are no different than White churchgoers in their views about homosexuality, and it is presumptuous and condescending for White people to assume they "should" feel differently because they are Black.
Steve Give us the wisdom to teach our children to love,
to respect and be kind to one another,
so that we may grow with peace in mind.
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