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Lagging indicators? Public beat economists in calling the recession


Majority of professionals got the timing of the economic downturn dead wrong; why is this?

BLOOMBERG: ECONOMISTS MISSED ALL THE SIGNS OF A COMING RECESSION

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Which of two groups—economists or the general public—came closer to predicting the recession?
Surprisingly, it looks like the Joe Six Packs of the world were better economic prognosticators than the elbow patch set.

In November 2007, a Gallup public opinion poll found 54% of Americans believed a recession would probably or definitely occur in the next 12 months.

By comparison, a Wall Street Journal survey of 52 economists conducted two weeks later found that, on average, the professionals put the chances of a recession at 38%.

In reality, the longest recession in at least 26 years began in December 2007, almost immediately after the two surveys were conducted.

A majority of the public got it right. Many economists did not.

“This recession, economists have done even worse than usual,” said Franklin Allen, co-director of Wharton Financial Institutions Center at the University of Pennsylvania. “They muffed predicting the crisis.”

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Even more galling to some observers, though, was the failure of the Bush administration, including Mr. Bush himself, to acknowledge the downturn well into this year.

“They did not awake to the recession risk until it was well underway,” said Lakshman Achuthan, managing director of the Economic Cycle Research Institute.

Philosophers are often in doubt, but never wrong.

Economists are never in doubt, but often wrong.


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None of these guys "missed the signs" at all.
They responded the way nearly all Americans respond to tough news these days, like kids respond to "going to the dentist".

Clint's right, we have gone soft.


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Hope y'all will take the time to read this piece about Bernancke going gono
Leverage up - Leverage down

I like it when Bonner and guys like the Mogambo tell it in plain english... they're gold bugs, but so far, they've been right on.


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If you read the previous link, then you might wanna follow it up with this piece that explains "Printing Money"
Angry Harry on Printing money

I'm thinking that these two articles pretty much sum up where we are today, in the developing financial crisis.



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And of course the requisite MAP that details
the economic slowdown in visual terms.
[Linked Image from images.huffingtonpost.com]


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Don't miss this article...
Probably best to take some Prozac, first.
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Originally Posted by itstarted
Don't miss this article...
Probably best to take some Prozac, first.
On Kicking Millionaires

Now THAT article pisses me off! It is not so much that I didn't know it already, it is just almost too much to consider in one piece. Of course Rich is correct. We have know it from almost the beginning. I keep going back to Naomi Klein and the Shock Doctrine. It's all, every word, becoming reality. Americans are indeed so stunned by the sudden undeniable truth that we are immobile. We don't know what to do to stop it. Suddenly we have realized that we are powerless and soon to be penniless and there is nothing really that we can do about it.


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Originally Posted by Slipped Mickey
I keep going back to Naomi Klein and the Shock Doctrine. It's all, every word, becoming reality. Americans are indeed so stunned by the sudden undeniable truth that we are immobile.

Setting conspiracy theorist Klein aside for the moment, what is being observed is the btch-slapping of the world's economies by that thing which a number of folks claimed did not exist -- the Invisible Hand of the market (i.e., economic laws). Up jump the Debil!;-)
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Originally Posted by Slipped Mickey
I keep going back to Naomi Klein and the Shock Doctrine. It's all, every word, becoming reality. Americans are indeed so stunned by the sudden undeniable truth that we are immobile.

Setting conspiracy theorist Klein aside for the moment, what is being observed is the btch-slapping of the world's economies by that thing which a number of folks claimed did not exist -- the Invisible Hand of the market (i.e., economic laws). Up jump the Debil!;-)
Yours,
Issodhos

It would seem that there is disagreement about whether the "market" = economic laws.

I think Mick hit it on target


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Originally Posted by itstarted
Don't miss this article...
Probably best to take some Prozac, first.
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You know things are really tanking when even the New York Times says that the System doesn't work.

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