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Rick,

While we indeed did have a GOP dominated Congress, and the illustrious Phil Gramm at the top of the heap, Pres Clinton never should have signed that bill. There's plenty of blame to go around, now the job will be to do away with the finger pointing and all do what we have to to make sure things get back on track, starting with JOBS!! I'm all for Obama's tax credits for hiring American, without jobs there is no economy

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Originally Posted by california rick
Today on Bob Brinker, Bob's fill-in host John Flannigan blamed the repeal of Glass-Seagull in 1999 on "Clinton and his buddies."

I wanted to reach thru my radio and grab that guy by the throat and make him admit there was a Republican Congress at the time.

Actually, it was a rather bipartisan effort, rick -- especially with Treasury Sec. Robert Rubin behind getting rid of it.:-)
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So who did away with the Chinese Wall of safety that Glass-Stegall provided for two-thirds of a century? Republican Phil Gramm was the primary sponsor of the bill but almost every legislator voted in favor and then-President Clinton was only too happy to sign it. Within a month of the abolition of Glass-Stegall, then-Treasury Secretary Robert Rubin, the former co-chairman of Goldman Sachs, became Sandy Weill’s top lieutenant at Citigroup (C), the bank that led the charge into using depositors’ money to speculate on sub-prime mortgages, algorithmic trading, and six-sigma derivatives.
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Originally Posted by FrazierI
. . . without jobs there is no economy

What's so great about an economy? People want enough to eat, not to freeze, not to fry, and something to do with their time. While capitalists have certainly built an economy around those wants or needs, is an economy the only way to provide those things?

If Eco-aliens flew down in their flying saucer and offered to provide us all those things in exchange for us giving up our "economy" because it is killing the long-term livability of our planet, what should our answer be?

Yes, thank you for saving the world.

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You can have our economy when you pry our melted credit cards from our crispy roasted hands.

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Originally Posted by FrazierI
. . . without jobs there is no economy

What's so great about an economy? People want enough to eat, not to freeze, not to fry, and something to do with their time. While capitalists have certainly built an economy around those wants or needs, is an economy the only way to provide those things?

If Eco-aliens flew down in their flying saucer and offered to provide us all those things in exchange for us giving up our "economy" because it is killing the long-term livability of our planet, what should our answer be?

Yes, thank you for saving the world.

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You can have our economy when you pry our melted credit cards from our crispy roasted hands.

Probably the second. Humans, as a race, value independence over everything else (although it might not seem at times).

And what if one day those "eco-aliens" decided that the best way to save the planet is to do away with the humans all toghether. We already gave away our economy, our means of production. Then what?

I think you should keep these "what-if" scenarios about aliens to thier own thread.


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Re: Glass Steagall
The subject of who voted to support what bill is fascinating. In my more naive early days of learning about politics, I spent much time following the voting habits of Congress... and looking for the "heroes" who agreed with my own point of view.

In real life, it doesn't work that way.

My personal observation is that bill passage and things like earmarks more often come as a result of vote trading rather than study, understanding or even conviction.


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[b]Notion of fast U.S. recovery fal... little chance recession will end in `09


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The idea that the U.S. economy is going to recover in the next six months is given little credence at a gathering of top academic economists here over the weekend.

A pickup sometime after June is still the Federal Reserve's quasi-official forecast. And leading institutional forecasters surveyed by the Blue Chip Economic Indicators are optimistic.

But that forecast seemed woefully out of touch to many experts who spoke at the annual meeting of the American Economics Association.

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Despite all these efforts, the U.S. economy, hit by an oil shock, a credit crunch and the global downturn, seems to be on a steep slide.

Some argue that the recession has just begun, despite the formal ruling by the business-cycle-dating committee that it began in December 2007.

Alan Blinder, a former vice chairman of the Federal Reserve, said the recession began only in mid-September when Lehman Brothers collapsed.

"We are in a horrible mess. I believe it is very young and it is going to be long and deep," he said.
Even in the first quarter of 2010, the economy will likely be weak enough to need macro stimulus, he said.

Martin Feldstein, the prominent Harvard University economist, said there was no longer any basis for believing the recovery could start in the third quarter.

"I think we'll be lucky if by this time next year we see the economy hit the bottom and start turning up," Feldstein said.

"In terms of the level of activity, the end of 2009 is going to look lower than it is today," he said.


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Just in....

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Looks like the $54 trillion derivatives bomb may explode in our face this week.
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The end of the world was scheduled for last October... so, what I see now looks like an improvement.


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Somehow I find numan's link a tiny bit more credible than yours, Ardy.


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Originally Posted by stereoman
Somehow I find numan's link a tiny bit more credible than yours, Ardy.

Excellent Steve... but riddle me this...

We heard over and over again about the 54 TRILLION... that is 54 Trillion Dollars tsunami of derivatives that was going to swamp this economy. Given the enthusiasm of the reporting of that tsunami, I am sure it was real and threatening. But I am wondering what happened to it. I mean, a 54 Trillion dollar tsunami has got to go somewhere. So where did it go.

As regards the other link... the economy is struggling and will take a while to recover... and it may never again return to the previous level of exuberance. Anything else of note === other than a 54 trillion dollar missing tsunami


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"a [trillion] here, a [trillion] there; pretty soon you're talking about real money"
allegedly uttered by Senate Minority Leader Everett McKinley Dirksen.


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