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#318759 12/08/2019 8:06 PM
by jgw
jgw
I live in a place called Port Angeles, WA. We get our water from the Elwah river. Back in the 20's the city built 2 dams on the Elwah river to supply power and water to the city and the City's mills. This worked fine for a long time. However, a decision was made to remove the dams to restore salmon runs. Up here salmon is a big deal. They are the food for the beloved Killer Whales, especially those who have made their food salmon and nothing else. The problem is that there are fewer salmon to feed the whales and this is blamed on the dams. The fact is that what REALLY lowers the salmon population are the sea lions which are salmon eating machines. It used to be that professional fishermen would kill any sea lion seen. This didn't harm the sea lion population but, rather, contained them. They are no longer contained. San Francisco and Astoria, Ore. will attest to this as sea lions have, basically, commandeered entire docks of these and other towns. They have also been responsible for a serious drop in salmon populations. Since sea lions are now a protected species their population is serious growing. I think there is one Indian tribe that now has been given the right to kill off some of the sea lions destroying the salmon runs. Anyway, this is a very simple explanation of the the Salmon problems.

So they ripped out the dams on the Elwah. here is a report on that one https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elwha_Ecosystem_Restoration
The cost ended up approximately 10 times more than initially thought. Since Port Angeles depends on the Elwah river for its water supply All of this is important. The problem, now, is the heat wave blob (https://news.mongabay.com/2019/09/t...lready-second-largest-in-recent-history/). What is happening is that our snow pack is, right now, a little more than 20% of 'normal'. The snow pack problem will effect not only Port Angeles but places like Seattle as well. On top of that we are also expecting serious fire problems.

So, to recap. We ripped out our dams, which supplied our water to save the salmon for the killer whales because we refused to deal with the eating machines called sea lions (seals also eat a lot of them but, we are told, sea lions are the main culprit). Basically whilst salmon runs have returned to the Elwah river their population is actually continuing to decrease due to protection sea lions and seals. If you google "sea lions and salmon" you will find a lot of information on this one.

So, we no longer have our dams, our snow pack is a bit more than 20% of normal and in decline and our water supply is seriously jeopardized. Add in that Washington state has a serious problem allowing anybody to drill wells or even capture rain water and you might start to understand that there are problems coming.

In spite of this those determined to save the salmon, killer whales, sea lions, etc. have decided that several dams, on the Columbia river must be remove to do all of this. Even though it is not working and will cost, in the end, literally billions of dollars so that they can say they tried and failed (the American way).

The really strange thing is that they now have something called a "salmon canon". This is a system to shoot salmon through a tube hundreds of feet. The salmon actually shoot themselves through said tube. You can google "salmon cannon" to learn more about this (its pretty neat). Salmon cannons, basically, means that tearing out existing dams is no longer necessary to save the salmon runs. (if you googled "salmon cannon" you know about that which I speak and its pretty clever).

So, to recap yet again. The pacific northwest is about ready to experience record fires and water shortage due to "the weather blob". If those determined to fix it by ripping out dams to save the salmon get their way the coming water shortage will increase exponentially. They are likely to get their way anyway and a lot of people are going to serious suffer as a result.

Just thought I would post this just to see if there is any reaction whatsoever. Not only that but it is, I think, a great example of "doing the right thing" is not always "the right thing". Thought I would add that this may be considered another "ain't nature grand" things.

Should also probably apologize as this seemed to go on, and on, and on so - Sorry!
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#338319 Nov 13th a 04:52 PM
by pdx rick
pdx rick
Originally Posted by jgw
I saw where the current snow pack, in the Cascades is something like 14% of normal. If it doesn't get any better there are going to be a LOT of people out of water. Where I live the Olympic Mountains have approximately 22% of the normal snow pack.

We are going to have a pretty interesting summer................
Now that I live in Bremerton, the Olympics are right out my window. smile
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#338357 Nov 14th a 06:44 PM
by Greger
Greger
One of these days that whole left coast is gonna slide into the ocean. Then the Yellowstone Caldera will blow its top and there won't be much of anything left west of the Mississippi.

So much for the manifest destiny.
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#338342 Nov 14th a 11:29 AM
by logtroll
logtroll
Originally Posted by jgw
Then there are those evil dams. Everybody wants them gone. We ripped one out up here. It was only going to cost a little bit. It ended up costing something like 5 billion dollars and put our town's water supply in danger. Most of the existing dams also store water for the use of agriculture. Without them things will be a LOT worse and food prices are going to go through the roof.

Just saying .....
Here’s the story of one of them.
Elwha Dam removal

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#338343 Nov 14th a 12:25 PM
by logtroll
logtroll
In case anyone thinks that’s a huge reservoir of water behind a dam…

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#338381 Nov 14th a 10:17 PM
by pondering_it_all
pondering_it_all
I think the whole east coast is in more immediate danger of a tidal wave of 10-25 meters, from a collapse of the Canary Islands volcano into the ocean.
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#338470 Nov 17th a 01:38 PM
by NW Ponderer
NW Ponderer
Vancouver Is Now Completely Cut Off By Road From The Rest Of Canada After Another Mudslide (Narcity).
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#338547 Nov 18th a 11:03 PM
by TatumAH
TatumAH
Ya just can't slip any fowl information past a dedicated CoNerd nowadays, even after laying a detailed backstory through a colorful cloaca, cry! grin that only has two functions in Peacocks! Peahens are 33.333% better at cloacal multitasking.

TAT
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