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NW Ponderer, pdx rick
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#343752 07/19/2022 4:28 PM
by NW Ponderer
NW Ponderer
I've been perseverating over the lack of true patriotism in the United States - the willingness to sacrifice "for the good of the country". The closest, frankly, I see it presently, is in Liz Cheney, although I disagree with almost everything she stands for, politically. But, I have no doubt that she is sacrificing her political future because she sees something very wrong and refuses to unsee it, or to stand for it.

Al Gore's concession speech in 2000 was, in my view, a shining example of swallowing pride and ambition "for the good of the country".

I don't see a lot of that anymore. Of course, it is rare, because the opportunities to be "profiles in courage" don't come up often. John McCain did it when he berated one of his own supporters in defense of Obama's honor and patriotism.

Who are the exemplars you see of people genuinely putting country before personal interests, particularly in politics?
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by Jeffery J. Haas
Jeffery J. Haas
Originally Posted by NW Ponderer
I've been perseverating over the lack of true patriotism in the United States - the willingness to sacrifice "for the good of the country". The closest, frankly, I see it presently, is in Liz Cheney, although I disagree with almost everything she stands for, politically. But, I have no doubt that she is sacrificing her political future because she sees something very wrong and refuses to unsee it, or to stand for it.

Al Gore's concession speech in 2000 was, in my view, a shining example of swallowing pride and ambition "for the good of the country".

I don't see a lot of that anymore. Of course, it is rare, because the opportunities to be "profiles in courage" don't come up often. John McCain did it when he berated one of his own supporters in defense of Obama's honor and patriotism.

Who are the exemplars you see of people genuinely putting country before personal interests, particularly in politics?

Adam Kinzinger for starters.
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by pdx rick
pdx rick
Originally Posted by NW Ponderer
Originally Posted by pdx rick
Ol' Joe put himself out there to run for POTUS for the "good of the country." Essentially Joe knew he was the only one voters would go for to block a criminal from having a second term. smile
I like Joe, but running for office, in my view, is rarely something done purely for "the good of the country". There's a lot more ego involved. Giving up an office - or resigning to prove a principle - are much closer, in my opinion, because that involves a real sacrifice - although I do admit that "putting oneself out there" does involve sacrifice and the risk of a bruised ego.
Joe was the only one that could beat Trump in 2020. He knew it and we voters knew it.

Joe did his job as far as I am concerned - keeping Trump away from the Oval Office. Many voted for Joe for this reason, not Joe's policies. Joe was never going to be a Bernie or Liz Warren as being a president. Joe is Joe, but more importantly, he helped us dodge a bullet.
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