Air Force is first military branch to face rejection of vaccine mandate as thousands avoid shots

It seems to me that if the Government was serious about searching for and eliminating right wing terrorists lurking in the Armed Forces and Law Enforcement, that profiling them by their vaccine avoidance would be an obvious place to start. Then they could be eliminated from "service" for insubordination. What ever happened to following orders? The elimination of the threat would not be because of conspiracy or right wing terrorist activities, but just regular old breaking regulations.

In fact, though I hesitat to suggest a conspiracy theory , what simpler way would there be to eliminate these dangerous threats from positions of armed authority? All the service chiefs have been debating how to clean up this problem, though most police unions certainly don't. I think it is diabolically clever to nudge them out by ordering a vaccine mandate designed specifically with this goal to smoke them out!

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Up to 12,000 Air Force personnel have rejected orders to get fully vaccinated against the coronavirus despite a Pentagon mandate and officials say it is too late for them to do so by Tuesday’s deadline, posing a first major test for military leaders whose August directive has been met with defiance among a segment of the force.

The vast majority of active-duty airmen, 96.4%, are at least partially vaccinated, according to data from the Air Force. But officials have warned that, barring an approved medical or religious exemption, those who defy lawful orders to be fully immunized are subject to punishment, including possible dismissal from the service or they could be charged in the military justice system.

My understanding is that US Military personnel are not required to follow illegal orders.

Since the entire executive branch is illegitimate due to the rigged election then any orders coming down the chain of command must be considered suspect.

Until Donald Trump is reinstated as the rightful and lawful president, no one in the military is really required to follow any orders which inconvenience them in any way.

Irked? You're back?
TAT

Anti-vaxxers faced with a mandate often threaten to quit, but they will find it difficult to just go someplace else and get the same kind of job. Even if they do find some organization that supports anti-vaxxers, they may find that the new organization is forced by EO or court order to enforce a mandate. For example, people in the armed forces are not going to be able to switch to a lot of jobs that traditionally hire vets that are not subject to a vaccine mandate. A dishonorable discharge will make that even harder.

State and local officials, and CEOs with more than 50 employees who fight vax mandates are going to lose their jobs eventually. I think the best bet would be to start a small business. But you might not be able to get health insurance, or even liability insurance.

PIA...like everywhere else in the US, Republicans and their rejection of any law/rule/order they don't like will continue to be coddled.

Are you aware the Kyle Rittenhouse is likely to go free? Patriots killing commies is not as much against the law as commies killing patriots, capiche...?

And are you aware that an anti-vaccine republican is about to be elected governor of Virginia?

"When do we get to use the guns?"

Soon maybe...? This tyranny has driven many of them over the brink!

It would be like Burger King hiring all of the disgruntled, hard-to-daal-with, difficult ex-McDonald's employees.

Which brings us back to this thread: Divorce American Style

Nobody invited the 17 year plmple-faced chubby kid to cross state lines with an AR-15 to defend a used car lot in the middle of the night. The 17 year old thought it all up himself.

If Rittenhouse "goes free" that will be very unfortunate, for him. There are millions of people willing to dole out justice for him, if justice is denied. You need massive security for life to survive that sort of thing, and I doubt he has the resources. He's made himself infamous by his own actions, and somebody (probably many somebodies) will decide to make a name for themselves by being the assassin of Kyle Rittenhouse.

The boy will have a lucrative career in white supremacist politics. Democrats haven't yet espoused vigilante assassinations in defiance of the US judicial system but I know you're rooting for it and arming yourself to kill some political enemies!

He's gonna walk free and be a Proud Boy who made his momma proud!

Even I barely remember who he killed or why at this point.

Remember, patriots killing commies is okay. That's all that happened here, move along, move along...

Trumpy Republican 'bout to win Virginia too.

Biden's numbers sinkin' like a bottom rig.

De Santis has offered $5K hiring bonus to any law enforcement from another state who loses his job because of a mandate.

And you think we're winning this little civil war?

Let's Go, Brandon!

Rittenhouse killed two people that swung their skateboards at him. Skateboards vs AR-15...totally fair fight.

Besides, Rittenhouse is in possession of a firearm he was illegally to be in possession of in the state he killed the people.

I say he gets 1-3 years.


...and yes, I realize the judge in the case has already ruled that the men shot by Kyle Rittenhouse in August 2020 can potentially be referred to at his trial as "rioters" or "looters" and not "victim" per CNN.

Yes, all military are required to disobey an illegal order. HOWEVER, you would be Court-marshalled for disobeying a lawful order. The Court-marshal would be your chance to prove the order was illegal and that you should not be punished for disobeying. Remember this also, constitutional rights in general do not apply or are severely curtailed in military matters.

Also, there is no such thing as a Religious Exemption, in the military and the Constitution or in law.

Personally, I think the population in the federal penitentiary in Ft. Leavenworth should grow by 12,000 or more souls, with every one receiving a Dishonorable Discharge for disobedience of lawful orders and for mutiny.

Shurly Ujest!

They have no souls or bottoms! No wonder they are so full of SH!T!

TAT

Too bad he didnt wait until he was 18 to get that AR-15, his penis might have actually reached normal size!

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All the prosecutors will have to say is:




Charges against Rittenhouse:

• First-degree intentional homicide
• First-degree reckless homicide
• Attempted first-degree intentional homicide
  
• Unlawful possession of a firearm

Then again, nobody thought George Zimmerman would walk either.

Let's also remember that people are presumed innocent unless and until they are proven guilty. And they aren't guilty unless and until they plead guilty to a crime or are found guilty by a jury of their peers. And, yes, this includes people who are no longer alive because a white kid from Antioch, Illinois, shot them dead.

Judge Schroeder says it's A-OK to call the dead "arsonists" and "looters," as long as the defense presents evidence of it. See above paragraph.

Lastly, Judge Schroeder is apparently cool with prejudicing the jury against the men the defendant indisputably shot, he is also seemingly fine with being legally and linguistically wrong, since (1) trials of dead people aren't a thing; and (2) none of the alleged victims was ever even charged with a crime, much less found guilty of one

For those Ranters not familiar with what happened in Kenosa, this video sums up chronology of the events very well:

uhhh...ho-hum...? This right here says it all...

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But 1 to 3 sounds about right too.

Back to topic...the military, in particular, goes where its officers go. I can't think of any reason this particular vaccination should be refusable under any circumstances, they get vaccinated for everything and there are no questions asked...but this one might have a secret microchip or change your DNA.

Since the vaccine is still politically questionable, the high muckety-mucks are liable to pronounce it voluntary.

Biden is the Commander-In-Chief. If he orders it mandatory, it is mandatory. He can declare exemptions and consequences for refusal. Would he go full-on Leavenworth? I doubt that very much.

But refusing would go on your record, and promotion might be impossible. Any officer would be an idiot to want that on their record.

We'll see if they lock up or discharge the refusers...I'm with you as far as how ridiculous it is to refuse the vaccination.
But Biden is nothing but a placeholder and will not be taken seriously by anyone who has taken that foolish political stance.

"Not taking Biden seriously" has very different consequences in civilian life versus in the military. The military doesn't ask new soldiers if they will take vaccinations. They tell them to stand in that goddam line, you maggots. "Opting out" gets you the stockade. And they get a whole lot of vaccinations that are far worse than Covid vaccinations.

What happens when Covid vaccinations get added to the list of mandatory vaccines to attend public school? Every public school district already has such a list. Why should the Covid vaccine be treated differently? I bet a lot of the anti-vaxxers will discover they can't afford private schools (who may have their own vaccination list) and opt for home school. And then get arrested for failing to home school in a legal manner.

You seem to have a real fetish about folks getting arrested. We already have more people in jail than any other country and it seems if you had your way almost everyone would be in jail.

You got to enforce liberty with an iron fist!

Exaggeration, and I say that for a very good reason that PIA and a few others have referred to already:
The military understands one language, the language of authority.
Military rank and file are not the brains. They are the muscle, and muscle relies on "muscle" memory.
The brains are at the top in The Pentagon, everything else is muscle and muscle memory and you talk to the military in muscular terms, and they listen in muscular terms.

Get in line and get your shots you maggots or you're going to the stockade.
Sir, yes sir.

Enough of the political nonsense...there's nothing political about the vaccines and everyone actually knows this, everyone who is capable of shouldering real actual responsibility in a civilized society. (or, in this case, the military)
And if they don't, then that's just a case of discovering who's been masquerading as fit to serve but actually isn't.

And in the military that's just called being washed out...you get washed out because you couldn't or wouldn't pack the gear.
And you get thrown in the stockade for insubordination or willful disobedience to a direct order.
👉This isn't me talking, 👆 it's my Navy veteran wife.

And she's been saying it ever since the whole subject of "Military and vaccines" first came up.

I learned, in my brief dalliance with the U.S. Navy, there were just five responses that covered anything a superior might say to you:
Yes, Sir!
No, Sir!
Aye, aye, Sir!
No excuse, Sir!
I'll find out, Sir!

Nope, that's not it at all. I agree that there are way more people in jail than should be. But I do believe that people who break the law and harm others, should have some accountability. Not so much for punishment, but rather so they stop doing that. I think if you say anything goes because it's political or religious, then those people just keep doing that crap, and their fellow travelers do worse. This kind of thing actually gets innocent people killed! IE: Charlottesville.

If I was in charge, I would review every drug-related conviction to see if the convicted did anything to harm other people, and let a whole lot of them go. I would look at all the cases where the incarceration did more harm than the crime, and act accordingly. I would find all the mentally ill prisoners, and move them to medical facilities where they could get real treatment.

I actually have a much bigger problem with rich or powerful people, or people in positions of authority, doing illegal things because they can get away with it, than with most of the folks who actually do wind up in the legal system.