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[b]Italian study claims Turin Shroud is Christ's authentic burial robe[/b] Just days before Christmas, a new study has emerged that suggests that one of Christianity's most prized but mysterious relics – the Turin Shroud – is not a medieval forgery but could be the authentic burial robe of Christ.
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Say, aren't those the same scientists who are studying the Rossi nickel making machine?
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Isn't that the guy the First Council of Nicaea (Italians) decided by a narrow majority that he is the Son and the Father AND the Ghost all rolled into one?  Isn't the First Council of Nicaea also the same group that decided which books to include and which others to exclude? One of the important books excluded was the Gospel of Mary (Magdalene), but there were others as well. Misogyny was alive and well back in the Council of Nicaea days and Italian men in charge were not about to let women have equality. Women were routinely tortured and burned as "witches" in Europe if an man's crops withered, or if he was impotent or sterile, or if he was unsuccessful in anyway, the Italian Church called his wife a witch and she was executed. In short, what do the Italians know that isn't guided by their own Church dogma? 
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The headline is not only misleading, but false, since neither the article nor the scientists claim that the shroud is that of Jesus. The scientists said only that they do not know how the shroud could have been created without the aid of a UV laser. But they do not rule out something of which they have no knowledge. Prof Paolo Di Lazzaro, the head of the team, said: "When one talks about a flash of light being able to colour a piece of linen in the same way as the shroud, discussion inevitably touches on things like miracles and resurrection." "But as scientists, we were concerned only with verifiable scientific processes. We hope our results can open up a philosophical and theological debate but we will leave the conclusions to the experts, and ultimately to the conscience of individuals." There is no difference between this and the fact that scientists have not been able to state how life begins. Those who choose to say that life is created by God seize on this to say that it must be a miracle since scientists cannot explain it. I
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Here's an entire skeptical website about the Turin shroud. ![[Linked Image from cybercomputing.com]](http://cybercomputing.com/freeinquiry//skeptic/shroud/shroud-face.jpg) Please use freeinquiry.com/skeptic/shroud to access the Skeptical Shroud of Turin Website.
THE SKEPTICAL SHROUD OF TURIN WEBSITE presents the historical, artistic, scientific, and microscopic evidence that demonstrates that the Shroud of Turin is a medieval artifact and intentional forgery of the supposed First Century burial cloth of Jesus Christ. The Shroud was created by an artist to lure faithful Fourteenth Century pilgrims to visit a relic displayed for the purpose of supporting their religious faith and encouraging their monetary offerings. This unfortunate and unethical practice continues in the Twenty-first Century. While we would do well to possess the same enthusiasm and curiosity of Fourteenth Century humans, there is no reason today to emulate their credulity.
This website will include links to (1) all skeptical resources about the Shroud of Turin on the Web, (2) links (as counter-examples) to the major pro-authenticity Shroud websites and articles, and (3) links to news stories about the Shroud that are (a) skeptical, (b) balanced, or (c) lack skepticism and all too commonly imply or explicitly promote its authenticity. This is a common problem with news stories reporting on supernatural, paranormal, and pseudoscientific topics: sensationalism--rather than skepticism--is what sells books, magazines, newspapers, and television and radio advertising. The Skeptical Shroud of Turin website was created to resist this journalistic trend--a trend that panders to public ignorance and credulity--and we wish instead to encourage careful investigation of mysterious phenomena and public education using properly-interpreted scientific and scholarly evidence.
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The Shroud was created by an artist to lure faithful Fourteenth Century pilgrims to visit a relic displayed for the purpose of supporting their religious faith and encouraging their monetary offerings. Well, there's a surprise.
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I am more of the Jesus in toast picture that was on another thread. Does that one come in sourdough?
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And a "host" of other breads.
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I am more of the Jesus in toast picture that was on another thread. Does that one come in sourdough? Will Ciabatta bread do?  (I had scrambled eggs and Ciabatta toast this morning. Yum! ![[Linked Image from i48.photobucket.com]](http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f228/ca_rickf/Smilies/party0021.gif) )
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![[Linked Image from i22.photobucket.com]](http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b316/kittyvonpurr/elvis-on-toast-sm.jpg) Notice how many of the claimed Jesus relics are morbid. I mean, pieces of wood from the crucifixion cross and nails that empaled Jesus on it. There may be enough pieces of the cross to actually re-construct the entire cross. As for the nails, since only two or three nails were used in crucifixion most of the 30 some nails claimed as relics aren't. How about "the Sudarium of Oviedo, a bloodstained cloth kept in the Cámara Santa of the Cathedral of San Salvador, Oviedo, Spain. The Sudarium (Latin for sweat cloth) is claimed to be the cloth wrapped around the head of Jesus Christ after he died." And then there's the crown of thorns, apparently missing the some 70 thorns which made their way to various places as relics. See Wiki for a more complete list
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