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Originally Posted by Jeffery J. Haas
Fun fact:

The B-faction of the OUN (Organisation of Ukrainian Nationalists), actually opposed the forming of the 14th Waffen SS Grenadier Division (of Ukrainian volunteers). The B in fact stands for "Bandera" whose faction actually fought inside the German Wehrmacht rather than in any SS-unit.

That's because any division outside of the control of the OUN-B would be totally controlled by the German High Command instead.

With regard to the UKR Supreme Court ruling on symbols, this:

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is nothing more than a variation of the Ruthenian (Ukrainian) lion from the 14th century.

That's a pretty big stretch to compare it to symbols like these:

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‘ With the war in Ukraine raging, it is time to trace the history of fascism in Ukraine. Once believed to be an anachronistic Cold War relic, the OUN (Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists) has emerged as the most successful post-war fascist group. Politicians around the globe shout its fascist slogan “Slava Ukraini”, a phrase that originated with the League of Ukrainian Fascists, was adopted by the OUN and popularized by Stepan Bandera while he and the OUN were on trial for the assassination campaign the OUN were waging in Poland. In Ukraine, the United States, Canada and Britain, monuments are built to the Ukrainian SS veterans who killed over a million Jews, hundreds of thousands of Poles, and countless Ukrainians, Russians, Byelorussians. Today Israel and Poland are among Ukraine’s biggest sponsors. In Ukraine itself it is illegal to criticize these mass murderers. In the West their history has been whitewashed for decades by Cold War academics who allowed escaped Ukrainian war criminals to shape the history of Ukraine and the Soviet Union. Most importantly thanks to two CIA backed coups or “colour revolutions” the first in 2004 and the second in 2014 the heirs of the OUN were given almost total control of Ukraine. OUN ideology has become the official ideology of Ukraine and Nazi thugs are given total impunity to terrorize anyone who complains. Fascist paramilitaries have been incorporated into the police and military while others like the Azov battalion have retained a certain autonomy answering only to Ukrainian Intelligence the SBU or the Interior Ministry. Even Ukrainian presidents have difficulty reining in these fascist groups who openly defy them when the presidents are not busy pandering to them.’

The History of Fascism in Ukraine Part I: The Origins of the OUN 1917-1941

You really remind me of a Holocaust denier…

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Let’s give this guy a 100 billion to fight an ‘unprovoked’ war. Sounds legit…



We coulda ended homelessness in this country but some Ivy League psychos need to run the world..

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It’s been three decades since the Soviet Union dissolved.

One of the reason US state has given for unilaterally leaving previous arms control treaties with Russia was, simply, ‘we made those deals with the Soviet Union, your not the Soviet Union. Sorry bout your luck..’

NATO expansion, placement of western weapons systems into former Soviet Republics, a coup here, an air strike there later and Russia decided it’s time to have their own Monroe doctrine. Who coulda known.

Wuzza madda Jeff? You don’t want the Russians to have their own security interests? You think only the US should have em and nobody else gets one?

That’s kinda… I dunno… exceptional, isn’t it?

Oh… that’s right.. the US is the exceptional, indispensable nation. When we do invasions it’s for good. When others do it.. Hitlerstalin, unprovoked blah blah..

Find them Iraqi bioweapons labs yet? Those Palestinians stop bothering them Israelis and go home back home yet? Have the Yemenis stopped starving themselves to embarrass us and our BFF Saudi Arabia?

Soviets had some pretty kick a$$ logos though.

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Originally Posted by chunkstyle
It’s been three decades since the Soviet Union dissolved.

One of the reason US state has given for unilaterally leaving previous arms control treaties with Russia was, simply, ‘we made those deals with the Soviet Union, your not the Soviet Union. Sorry bout your luck..’

NATO expansion, placement of western weapons systems into former Soviet Republics, a coup here, an air strike there later and Russia decided it’s time to have their own Monroe doctrine. Who coulda known.

Wuzza madda Jeff? You don’t want the Russians to have their own security interests? You think only the US should have em and nobody else gets one?

That’s kinda… I dunno… exceptional, isn’t it?

Oh… that’s right.. the US is the exceptional, indispensable nation. When we do invasions it’s for good. When others do it.. Hitlerstalin, unprovoked blah blah..

Find them Iraqi bioweapons labs yet? Those Palestinians stop bothering them Israelis and go home back home yet? Have the Yemenis stopped starving themselves to embarrass us and our BFF Saudi Arabia?

Soviets had some pretty kick a$$ logos though.

Whataboutism.


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What about your whataboutism?

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