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In America we tend to vote for our House and Senate Representatives according to how they authorize our social issues. The main problem with this is that our focus is off the essential issues of economy, security, and human rights.

I blame the voters more than I blame our representatives as the American people are unable to make their decisions on their own personal choices. This has torn our government and freedoms apart. Our own Reader Ranters can take a thread subject that needs debating and it always comes down to the government controlling our actions. These actions are often the result of the influence of the religious right that had no power prior to the election of our candidates after President Carter.

Reagan did not run as a Republican as much as a fiscal conservative. He had the Christian Coalition on his back for the first 6 years in office. He changed his opinions on individual choices and began to lean to having the government take them away from all of us. It was a damaging change and influenced the churches into getting more involved in our Federal laws.

During his Administration many orphanages and mental hospitals were closed and the patients and young children were turned over to private solutions. Orphanages were turned over to State run foster care which proved to be inadequate in raising the children and opened levels of child care unacceptable to many. Mental patients were allowed to run freely through our neighborhoods and we saw a rise in crime that could not be prosecuted.

The religious right’s movement was triggered by President Clinton’s bopping his intern. Suddenly the American people looked to the Federal Legislators to stamp out this adultery as it caused our government to lie under oath. Our representatives have been liars since the signing of the original government.

The American voters designed a whole new method of electing their representatives including the POTUS. From the start of this demand for moral legislation coming out of the Federal government, we have seen debates over personal choices and ignoring the freedoms and liberties of all Americans.

Electing President Bush was the gravest mistake America ever made. He was the magnet for the Religious Right whose focus was on changing the level of authority over every single American. Unless we rid our government of this authority we will end up a nation of moral laws instead of freedom.

Too many political discussion forums have had to focus on social issues and making legal issues take second place. I think fixing this would involve not only the separation of church and state but to remove social issues from the federal government.

I would love to have a government made up of men and women who remove themselves from having the authority of telling the voters how to live their personal lives. I keep hearing that the American voters need this authority to keep them in line. Of course that comes from the federal government who feel they are morally superior to the man on the street.

We are heading into a government that sounds like Communist China. Forced abortions instead of individual choices. Government schools to guarantee that no child is left as an independent thinker. Asking the government to censor our television, radio and music. Giving the government the authority to tell us our gay friends and relatives must not be allowed to marry. We demand our Congress to involve themselves in our decisions making all of us a clone of the moral majority.

We are in too deep to ever expect the American people to live as individuals and so we have to decide our votes on who will offer us more freedoms of choice. None of our candidates stand for freedoms and have to run on how their voters need them to rule.

We hit rock bottom in 2000 when we voted for G.W. Bush and even then most of us voted outside the 2-party system and the Supreme Court was called in to select Bush. We will pay for the next 50 years for our mistake in judgment. But the voters are at it again and need to know if our candidates are pro-life, put God over evolution and deny the rights of gay Americans.

I continue to search for a third party that might interest free thinking again.

I say we trim the fat starting with the old people. Once we've removed all their hand-outs, protections, safety nets, special treatment, discounts, and especially crosswalk buttons that delay me when I'm busy, then and only then should we start beating up on the retards and cripples.

Who said cutting taxes couldn't be fun?

Hear Hear Grover!

TAT

Yup, we should end all these entitlements to the elderly, Social security and government provided health insurance, they should have saved enough during their peak earning years to see them through the rest of their lives without going to big daddy for handouts.
That statement is wrong and stupid but Sandy for goodness sake why do you take from the government with one hand and slap us "socialists" with the other? Old people aren't the only ones who need help. They certainly get plenty of it though. And still want to protect their handouts by denying it to everyone else.

2 weeks without a cigarette and grouchy as hell!

well said, Greger

(congrats on 2 weeks. hang in there.)

Shame on you Greger! Are you attempting to cost me more in payments to medicare and social security, by quitting smoking? What would happen if everybody did that?

I too am grouchy after discovering a brand new ground wasp's nest with the lawnmower! I am never leaving the safe sofa again!

TAT

Wait a minute! I'm taking nothing from the government that was not taken from me against my will for the last 55 years of my working for a living. Do you think Medicare is free? I pay just a few pennies less than $100 a month. It comes out of my S.S. check account that I paid into for more years than most of you have alive. I would have been delighted to cash out my Social Sercurity when I hit 65 but they would not let me.

So you want my money earned at the expense of my daily needs to use for your own security?

Greger and Olyve, you think I am living off of your money? That is exacly wrong but knowing you feel that I am a leech here at CHB is enough to head out of here and look for people who understand the amount the seniors have to put into the system only to have it tossed back like an old salad.

CHB has no need for me and would do better to drag up all the voters who feel that seniors are a drag on society. Folks I have on two words for you. [censored] you!

Thank you Sandy YOU Just made my point. The cost of universal health care does indeed come from hard earned taxes that you and I and many others have paid into the system.
No, I DON'T think you're a leach and I DON'T think you should NOT use medicare.

The hypocracy is stunning though.
It's the whole....I've got mine thing....who cares about others who need it just as much.

I agree with Greger's post.
It makes me sick.
Universal health care is not a free ride.

I know fully well how much seniors pay into the system and how much they need it. My mother is only 4 years older than you, Sandy and it won't be near enough for her needs. She was fairly well off financially a year ago.
At one time she agreed with you.

This comment makes the mistaken assumption that our Federal government can solve all of our problems. Mr. Norquist knows the truth. A government that is too big can not do the jobs it is supposed to do. Shrink the size of our government and then the various levels of our government, Federal, state and local, can do what they are supposed to do. Also to blame our Federal government for the mistakes, ineffiency and corruption of state and local governments only buries the problem under a broken levee.

No it was not! The issue that galvanized Christians into action was the poorly written Supreme Court decision of Roe -v- Wade.* Many sincere honest Christians believe that abortion is murder. That belief of theirs has been misused by a number of phony evangelical ministers and sleazy politicians, sadly most of them Republicans, to use the issue of abortion for their own political gains. These ministers and politicians knew that abortion was not an issue they could deal with but used it to further their own power anyway.

*That Roe -v- Wade is a poorly written decision is not my opinion. It is the opinion of many members of the legal profession whose comments on R-v-W I have read, including Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg.