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I've been thinking about the California Supreme Court's decision lately, but in formal logic terms. It seems we have two input requirements that can only be met by one result:
1) Gay couples and hetorsexual couples must have the same rights or else the anti-discrimination language of the State Constitution is violated.
2) Prop 8 added language to the State Constitution that "marriage" is reserved only for heterosexual couples.
The four possible results would be:
1) Both gay and hetero couples can marry.
2) Hetero couples can marry but gay couples can not.
3) Gay couples can marry but hetero couples can not.
4) Neither gay nor hetero couples can marry.
Only one of those results satisfies both inputs. If the CSC doesn't throw out one or both of the inputs, then nobody can marry in California. All marriages are declared "civil unions", and Prop 8 actually destroys marriage in our state.
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Sadly, Pondering, you have made a fatal error in your analysis. You started with the premise that logic applied here...
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Sadly, Pondering, you have made a fatal error in your analysis. You started with the premise that logic applied here... 
"It's not a lie if you believe it." -- George Costanza
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If the CSC doesn't throw out one or both of the inputs, then nobody can marry in California. All marriages are declared "civil unions", and Prop 8 actually destroys marriage in our state. Wouldn't it be ironic that Prop 8 "destroys" marriage in California and it would be because of str8 people voting for it. In short, str8 people "destoryed" marriage in California. Oh the beauty of it!  , 
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Picking up steam.... New Hampshire lawmakers will vote next week on two LGBT rights bills - one that would allow same-sex couples to marry and one extending the state’s human rights laws to include protections for transpeople. . A coalition of clergy members who support gay marriage in Maine attempted to persuade lawmakers at a meeting Tuesday, the day the Senate referred the bill to a committee.
If it passes as currently written, Sen. Dennis Damon's bill would repeal a law that limits marriage to one man and one woman and replace it with one that authorizes marriage between any two people.
It also says Maine would recognize marriage between two people of the same gender in another state where such marriages are valid. . The debate over gay marriage in Vermont intensified Wednesday when more than 500 people came to the State House in Montpelier for an emotional public hearing. . US dictionary-maker Merriam-Webster has redefined the word 'marriage' to include gays and lesbians.
The definition of the word now says: "The state of being united to a person of the opposite sex as husband or wife in a consensual and contractual relationship recognised by law," but adds the term also applies to "the state of being united to a person of the same sex in a relationship like that of a traditional marriage".
The company said it had introduced the change in 2003, before gay marriage was allowed in any state, but said no one had noticed the change until conservative website World Net Daily reported it this week.
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Here, as elsewhere, people are outraged at what feels like a rigged game -- an economy that won't respond, a democracy that won't listen, and a financial sector that holds all the cards. - Robert Reich
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Well. There goes that whole "definition of marriage" thing! 
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And some more headlines/arguments that may sound like ideas expressed on this thread: A Gay-Marriage Solution: End Marriage? In a paper published March 2 in the San Francisco Chronicle, two law professors from Pepperdine University issued a call to re-examine the role the government plays in marriage. The authors — one of whom voted for and one against Proposition 8, which ended gay marriage in California — say the best way out of the intractable legal wars over gay marriage is to take marriage out of the hands of the government altogether. It appears to me that there are two distinct ways to make the case for gay marriage — a long and short way. The long way runs through a lengthy list of Supreme Court cases which have rejected government efforts to enforce gender roles and sexual “morality,” as well as cases which have established a right to privacy and a large degree of self-determinism in the most personal of affairs. ....
The short way to make the case for gay marriage is to examine the basic purpose of law in a free country with a secular government — a government that is not in the business of enforcing mere moral opinions. The case can be explained very simply and in general terms: the government cannot bar any behavior that does not interfere with a legitimate and secular government interest. {Emphasis added)
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Here, as elsewhere, people are outraged at what feels like a rigged game -- an economy that won't respond, a democracy that won't listen, and a financial sector that holds all the cards. - Robert Reich
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A well reasoned argument is like a diamond: impervious to corruption and crystal clear - and infinitely rarer.
Here, as elsewhere, people are outraged at what feels like a rigged game -- an economy that won't respond, a democracy that won't listen, and a financial sector that holds all the cards. - Robert Reich
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Last edited by loganrbt; 04/03/09 01:36 PM.
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ohhh the dreaded advance of the gay agenda
the fall of civilisation cannot now be far behind.
"The basic tool for the manipulation of reality is the manipulation of words. If you can control the meaning of words, you can control the people who must use the words."
(Philip K.Dick)
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