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If what we have going on in this world is civilization, I'm all for the fall of it!


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Sweden’s parliament voted “yes” on Wednesday to allow same-sex marriage, according to the parliament’s Web site.

Previously, two people of the same sex could register their partnership, but with this vote, sex will no longer matter when two people want to get married.

The new “sex-neutral” law will take effect on May 1.

Couples who already had a registered partnership can now either stay in that union or transform it into a marriage if they wish, the Web site said.

The “yes” votes numbered 261, while 22 members of parliament voted “no” and 16 chose not to vote
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Iowa? IOWA? Iowa??!!!

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Amazing.

I was so amused by the hapless Polk County's attorney putting forth the worthless argument that same-sex couples "are not similarly situated" to married heterosexuals because "they cannot procreate naturally." Imagine the outrage amongst women past menopause if the State Court had ruled in favor of such an argument!


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Here's a link to the actual decision, Varnum v. Brien.
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The County offered five primary interests of society in support of the legislature’s exclusive definition of marriage. The first three interests are broadly related to the advancement of child rearing. Specifically, the objectives centered on promoting procreation, promoting child rearing by a mother and a father within a marriage, and promoting stability in an opposite-sex relationship to raise and nurture children. The fourth interest raised by the County addressed the conservation of state resources, while the final reason concerned the governmental interest in promoting the concept and integrity of the traditional notion of marriage.
Can you say Bull-<cough>? I particularly liked the way the Court framed its approach to the issue:
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Our responsibility, however, is to protect constitutional rights of individuals from legislative enactments that have denied those rights, even when the rights have not yet been broadly accepted, were at one time unimagined, or challenge a deeply ingrained practice or law viewed to be impervious to the passage of time. The framers of the Iowa Constitution knew, as did the drafters of the United States Constitution, that “times can blind us to certain truths and later generations can see that laws once thought necessary and proper in fact serve only to oppress,” and as our constitution “endures, persons in every generation can invoke its principles in their own search for greater freedom” and equality.


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I think this sums it up nicely.... Liberty and Justice...


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And now these: With veto overrides, Vermont legalizes same-sex marriage
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(CNN) -- Vermont's House and Senate voted Tuesday to override the governor's veto of a bill legalizing same-sex marriage in the state.

The Senate voted 23-5 to override Gov. Jim Douglas' veto, according to the Senate office. Shortly afterward, the House overrode the veto on a 100-49 vote. The votes surpassed the number needed -- two-thirds of those present -- to override the veto.

The action makes Vermont the fourth state to legalize same-sex marriages. The others are Massachusetts, Connecticut and, as of last week, Iowa.

Douglas vetoed the bill Monday. "Vermont's civil union law has afforded the same state rights, responsibilities and benefits of marriage to same-sex couples," the governor wrote in a letter to David Gibson, secretary of the Senate. "Our civil union law serves Vermont well, and I would support congressional action to extend those benefits at the federal level to states that recognize same-sex unions. But I believe that marriage should remain between a man and a woman."

Tuesday's votes end a 10-year battle to legalize same-sex marriage in Vermont despite a court ruling legalizing civil unions, according to CNN affiliate WPTZ-TV. Same-sex marriages will become legal on September 1.
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Iowa Senate Leader Rules Out Gay Marriage Debate Given the difficulty in passing a constitutional amendment in Iowa, it would be 2014 before the issue came up. Query: do you think these decisions might influence the California Supreme Court?



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One can only hope . . .


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I do not think either Iowa or Vermont will affect the decision in California. Remember, the California court already did what the Iowa court did, so it is on the same page. What the California court now faces is really a different issue -- can a majority vote rescind a Constitutional right?

Vermont only makes it easier for the Court to validate Prop 8 on the theory that the Legislature could override it if it wants to -- which of course, the legislature did as a statutory measure, but for an amendment to the Constitution requires a much more difficult process.


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It would really kill two birds with one stone, if the California Supreme Court decided that an initiative ballot measure can only amend the State Constitution if it passes with a 2/3 majority. That would fix the initiative loophole, making it just as difficult to amend by initiative as by the legislative route.

Without that fix, we can look forward to countless disruptive initiative amendments since it is much easier for any well-funded group to use the initiative process (rather than the legislative) to get a court-proof law enacted in their favor.

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Although there is precious little case law addressing the distinction between an "amendment" and a "revision," conceptually it seems so obvious that Prop 8 has to fail as it is a revision. Of course, it is idiocy to allow Constitutional amendments by simple majority anyway, but Washington State suffers from the same plague of initiativitis, what with the scourge of people whose sole livelihood is inflicting them on the populace every election cycle. See Tim Eyman and Sherry Bockwinkel.


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