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Oh. Sorry. I thought Prop 8 came to us courtesy of the "church" sector. My mistake.
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This most profound aspect of marriage–protecting and controlling the sexuality of the child-bearing sex–is its only true reason for being, and it has no equivalent in same-sex marriage. Misogyny at it's most eloquent. Can gay men and women be as generous as we straight men are? Will you consider us as men who love, just as you do, and not merely as homophobes or Baptists? Every day thousands of ordinary heterosexual men surrender the dream of gratifying our immediate erotic desires. Instead, heroically, resignedly, we march up the aisle with our new brides, starting out upon what that cad poet Shelley called the longest journey, attired in the chains of the kinship system–a system from which you have been spared. Wow! Just wow... uh... "thank you sir, may I have another"? Few men would ever bother to enter into a romantic heterosexual marriage–much less three, as I have done–were it not for the iron grip of necessity that falls upon us when we are unwise enough to fall in love with a woman other than our mom. Why do I sense that the third time is not a charm for this guy? I see at least one more painful, dutiful walk down the aisle into the shackles and misery of heterosexual male responsibility of protecting and controlling yet another unfortunate woman's 'sexuality'. The 'mom' thing just creeps me out. Sheesh! Not a biblical quote or trace of hostile homophobia to be seen and the arguments are STILL moronic. He actually sounds jealous.
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...I thought Prop 8 came to us courtesy of the "church" sector... It was, to the tune of over $80m. I was reading yesterday that there's a New England state that is putting the gay marriage on the ballot as a constitutional issue as gay marriage is legal in that State. The Catholic church is the major sponsor. Opponents of the proposition have asked the IRS to pull the church's tax-free exemption as they are preaching from the pulpit in that state and telling their parishioners to vote for the ballot measure.
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RE: Shulman... OMG! First, what a poorly, poorly written essay. It took over 600 words to even get around to the point. It is painfully, painfully bad. Give the man an "F" for composition. THEN, Good GOD.... Virginity until marriage, arranged marriages, the special status of the sexuality of one partner but not the other (and her protection from the other sex)--these motivating forces for marriage do not apply to same-sex lovers. Is he a Cardinal or something? No, wait, three failed marriages... although, maybe still celibate... Or, at least we can hope... Second, kinship modifies marriage by imposing a set of rules that determines not only whom one may marry (someone from the right clan or family, of the right age, with proper abilities, wealth, or an adjoining vineyard), but, more important, whom one may not marry. Did he crib this from 5th Century monk? the illicit or licit nature of heterosexual copulation is transmitted to the child, who is deemed legitimate or illegitimate based on the metaphysical category of its parents' coition. This is downright barbaric... and this is supposed to be an essay opposing same-sex marriage? This is a collation of cretinous pseudointellectual blather of the highest order. Is it supposed to be satire? If so it even fails at that... He has to be paid by the word, or why bother. Give the man an "F" for content, context, relevance and order as well. This is, truly, one of the worst essays I have had the misfortune to have ever read. It is beyond nonsensical, way past crude, completely unpersuasive, and both boorish and ephemeral. What a complete buffoon. Thanks for posting the link!
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Here, as elsewhere, people are outraged at what feels like a rigged game -- an economy that won't respond, a democracy that won't listen, and a financial sector that holds all the cards. - Robert Reich
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The 'mom' thing just creeps me out. Why? Psychologists "say" we marry our mothers.  (I know my bro did! Twice!!  ) Me? I'd marry the cop that lived across the street from me when I was a kid. 
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Like...totally! You're turning into a regular 'Valley Dude' NW P
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Talk about strange bedfellows: DICK Cheney now supporting gay marriage.
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His daughter getting married? To be fair, I don't think he ever publicly opposed it.
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