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In the movie Bruno, the character of Bruno goes onto the Richard Bey show in Dallas. The audience is comprised mostly of Black Americans.

The subject is single parenthood.

Everything is great until Bruno mentions finding "Mr. Right."

Then the mostly Black audience turns on him. A black lady stands up and says: You're rising a child and trying to find a brother on the 'downlow'.

See, in the Black community, black men can't be gay - because culturally it's not acceptable - but black men can be on the 'downlow' with is acceptable.

S-l-o-w-l-y we gays are starting to find out the root causes of the win of Prop 8.

Rick, I think it wrong and incorrect to target African Americans for the win on Prop 8. It was not their race that led them to vote as they did, it was their religious convictions. To make it a racial divide misses the point about how to move forward, and that is why I think the author of the commentary I put up is also wrong.

I agree.

I also agree that it was religious, but I think you're missing one piece of the puzzle Phil, culturally homosexuality is not accepted within the Black community.

We need to incorporate the cultural climate as well as the religious.

Not all blacks subscribe to the religious or cultural aspects of their community, but we need to recognize the religious and cultural biases within the Black community and not just lie the bias of homosexuality at the feet of the religious.

Inside poop...erm, scoop:

President Obama will dispense of DADT and DOMA during his first term.

Source says The Prez is master Chess Player - three moves ahead of everyone else.

Will strike when the moment is right.

Los Angeles Times

I have a thought, which I have had for some time and has tended to give me some humor.

What would happen if our legislatures were to pass a law against political lies. The law would be against any political lies that gets published. If published by government then government gets to pay the price. If anybody else publishes such they to get the pay the price.

I have no idea about paying the price. I just know that it should have the capacity to educate the political liar that political lying is a really bad idea.

I know, its unlikely that such a think might happen. That too is a shame. On reflection the whole thing is, basically, a shame.

As time goes on, and lying becomes, more and more, the new American way.

Ah, "the American way". I remember the good old days when that actually meant something.

Most folks are under the perceptions that all politicians lie. Exaggerate, tell half truths when not flat out lying, take things out of context etc. Trust in politicians are now below used car salesmen. That is unless it’s my guy, my party, then whatever they say is gospel. But for most it like the old joke, “How can you tell a politician is lying?” His lips are moving.

Most folks don’t get a bit upset when a politician lies. They expect that, accept it. Most just brush it off. What this has led to is a total lack of trust in governmental institution. Only 27% nowadays have either a lot or a fair amount of trust in the SCOTUS. 8% in congress, 26% in the presidency. For other organizations, institutions, they’re included in this link.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/1597/confidence-institutions.aspx

All this lying has eroded confidence in our public institution and in our own government we elect. Good luck on your law. Perhaps because of all the lying and our acceptance of the lies, trust in our own government that we the people elect and send to Washington to govern over us is down to 16%.

https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2023/09/19/public-trust-in-government-1958-2023/

How about this. A group is created that studies politicians and how much they lie. There would have to be some rules setup and some way to determine just how much a specific politician lies. For instance, years ago, when Trump was starting out and a newspaper took on a job of defining lies of trump. I think they stopped getting that one straight on something like the 8 thousand Trump lies were defined and they just gave it up. Anyway, the group would need some definitions. They would have to have a set rule about liars and the lies they tell. Some will probably not be aware lies just something said which was not true but thought to be. You know, stuff like that. Anybody could state their thought on specific lies or a politician's specific lies. If such a group was created and it worked then the media might, over time, start to report the group's efforts.

I also know this is not going to happen. I suspect the problem is Trump who, obviously, lies. He does it all the time, he doesn't care if he is right or wrong because he knows two things. The White Christians have decided, in their infinite wisdom, that Trump doesn't lie, What he does is explain his truth which has very little to do with facts. I actually belive that Trump actually believes much of the nonsense he spouts. Those that follow Trump do not exist in real reality so much as 'their' reality which they learned from their lord and master Trump. They are happy there and, apparently they find if a comfy place for them. Its really a very strange place. My original thought about a group that might define political lying just will not work because there is a large group which has decided that living outside of real truth is the way it should be. I could keep talking about this but why. Why bother? Everybody understands what is going on, even those who adore Trump.

We live in very strange times.