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RIP, Martha...you will be SO missed by so many. You always made me feel special.

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Hi SuZQ. Nice to see you here again. Take care.......


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Hi Sandy - It's so very nice to see you on here too! I still remember you were the first one to welcome me to CHB back in 2004. It's been a long time. You take care too and I hope to show up here a little more often again soon.

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One is the life story of Gerard Depardieu by Paul Chutkow and the other is "Steve Jobs" by Walter Isaacson. I have lived with many actors and a few scientists but I am submersed with two men I cannot like in any way. I read biographies because I want to know more about and like the characters that make up my life. I am drawn to men who are individuals and often are geniuses in their field. I cannot imagine Howard Hughes peeing on an airplane even if he owned it. I cannot imagine William R. Hearst walking away from a child he fathered.

The problem may be with me "Some are born great and some have greatness thrust upon them" (12th Night) and some are just plain arsholes who believe they are great. Thank you Shakespeare, no matter who you are; you always come through with a great quote or two.


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I cannot imagine Howard Hughes peeing on an airplane even if he owned it. I cannot imagine William R. Hearst walking away from a child he fathered.
Well, I don't need to imagine Howard Hughes pissing away his wealth irresponsibly, or William Randolph Hearst walking away from the American people he had bilked and cheated---those facts are too blatant to require the exercise of imagination.

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Who did Hearst bilk? I worked at the castle for years and heard a lot of this angry attitude of jealousy. He and his mother traveled all over Europe before WW1 and 2 and France, Spain and England begged him to buy their art work so they could arm their armies. He cheated nobody and offered the art back after 5he end of the war.

You are another on who cannot conceive of great wealth without labeling it as it being cheated. You are a very small man Numan and hve experienced little of art collections and capitalism. Howard Hughes foundation is still funding hospitals all over the world. His father designed the tools to bring oil out of the soil. His "bit" is still used. Hughes was notorius for helping many who were left penniless after the 29 crash. If you read more about these people you might learn something. You aren't worth explaining the wealth that runs our charities. In two weeks, Barbara Sinatra is putting on a massive fund raiser for the benefit of the children's hospital down the street from me. It is part of the Eisenhower Medical facility.

I would not expect anyone who did not read much to know anything about wealth. You really should get together with Checkers.


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As a tongue-tip taste of Hearst's loathsomeness, he created phony propaganda out of thin air, got the United States into a war with Spain with Gulf-of-Tonkin-like lies about the sinking of the Maine, robbed Spain of its empire, and started the USA on its disastrous course of imperialism and war crimes.

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Certainly, making up stories out of whole cloth in order to sell newspapers, appropriating the work of others and publishing it under false bylines or drumming up war on invented provocations are hardly criminal acts. In fact, all of these actions were very forward-thinking of Mr. Hearst and have provided the foundation for making excellent returns on investment for many people in the American publishing and journalism industries.


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There is also the opinion that those who bought what Hearst had to sell and acted on this as a government was indeed the case of the weakness of the government. You want to blame wealth for all the ails in America. Yes, indeed, Hearst did set up the conditions of the Maine but it was the reaction that took us to war. Right or Wrong was exposed at the time and yet it was all the other newspapers that folded leaving the Hearst papers running for over a century. My daughter just drove up and we are going to the movies.


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