|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Abortion
by pdx rick - 04/14/24 03:23 PM
|
|
|
|
|
0 members (),
5
guests, and
1
robot. |
Key:
Admin,
Global Mod,
Mod
|
|
Forums59
Topics17,087
Posts313,736
Members6,305
|
Most Online294 Dec 6th, 2017
|
|
There are no members with birthdays on this day. |
|
|
Joined: Dec 2005
Posts: 12,010
Pooh-Bah
|
OP
Pooh-Bah
Joined: Dec 2005
Posts: 12,010 |
Netanyahu Says Never to a State for Palestinians http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/17/world/middleeast/benjamin-netanyahu-campaign-settlement.html?_r=0now THAT is a shocker....fnord either he has totally changed his position or maybe he has just enunciated what has been his real position all along maybe failure of negotiations is not entirely to be blamed on those danged Palestinians because actually Netanyahu never wanted an agreement maybe israeli participation in negotiations was just dog whistle politics maybe bombing the bejezus out of palestine was about more than self defense
Last edited by Ardy; 03/17/15 12:52 AM.
"It's not a lie if you believe it." -- George Costanza The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves. --Bertrand Russel
|
|
|
|
Joined: Aug 2004
Posts: 17,120 Likes: 249
It's the Despair Quotient! Carpal Tunnel
|
It's the Despair Quotient! Carpal Tunnel
Joined: Aug 2004
Posts: 17,120 Likes: 249 |
Israel's own little Governor Wallace.
"The Best of the Leon Russell Festivals" DVD deepfreezefilms.com
|
|
|
|
Joined: Aug 2004
Posts: 17,120 Likes: 249
It's the Despair Quotient! Carpal Tunnel
|
It's the Despair Quotient! Carpal Tunnel
Joined: Aug 2004
Posts: 17,120 Likes: 249 |
The man has wasted our time for more than a decade with phony peace talks when all along he was never serious to begin with.
"The Best of the Leon Russell Festivals" DVD deepfreezefilms.com
|
|
|
|
Joined: May 2005
Posts: 47,271 Likes: 351
Member CHB-OG
|
Member CHB-OG
Joined: May 2005
Posts: 47,271 Likes: 351 |
Netanyahu Says Never to a State for Palestinians Nutandyahoo isn't going to win tomorrow, anyway - that March 3rd thingy did him in at home.
Contrarian, extraordinaire
|
|
|
|
Joined: May 2005
Posts: 47,271 Likes: 351
Member CHB-OG
|
Member CHB-OG
Joined: May 2005
Posts: 47,271 Likes: 351 |
Greta has the wing nuts all riled-up and forming and frothing at the mouth. I gave her good "shame on you for this thread!"
Contrarian, extraordinaire
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2008
Posts: 1,672
member
|
member
Joined: Sep 2008
Posts: 1,672 |
Jeffrey said: Israel's own little Governor Wallace. Yes! Standing at the schoolhouse door. He always reminded me of villain ex Vice President Dick Cheney. The sneering smile, the sidling eyes. And voila! Found this comparison. Yes, yes. The old fear mongering. Familiar, isn't it?
Just a Missouri school teacher ... stubborn as a mule and addicted to logic.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jun 2007
Posts: 4,245 Likes: 33
old hand
|
old hand
Joined: Jun 2007
Posts: 4,245 Likes: 33 |
I gave her good "shame on you for this thread!" I’m sure that will make Greta think twice. And I am also sure that will help nudge her followers to a more nuanced and rational viewpoint regarding the Obama administration.
Get your facts first, then you can distort them as you please.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Mar 2003
Posts: 7,969 Likes: 116
veteran
|
veteran
Joined: Mar 2003
Posts: 7,969 Likes: 116 |
his very words are all that is necessary
ignorance is the enemy without equality there is no liberty Save America - Lock Trump Up!!!!
|
|
|
|
Joined: May 2005
Posts: 47,271 Likes: 351
Member CHB-OG
|
Member CHB-OG
Joined: May 2005
Posts: 47,271 Likes: 351 |
I gave her good "shame on you for this thread!" I’m sure that will make Greta think twice. And I am also sure that will help nudge her followers to a more nuanced and rational viewpoint regarding the Obama administration.
Contrarian, extraordinaire
|
|
|
|
Joined: Feb 2006
Posts: 12,129 Likes: 257
Pooh-Bah
|
Pooh-Bah
Joined: Feb 2006
Posts: 12,129 Likes: 257 |
Remember the Good Ol' Days, when the rich conservatives refused to let Jews into the Country Club? Heck, I own property that still has "No Negroes, No Jews" written right into the CC&Rs.
We've come a long way...
|
|
|
|
Joined: Dec 2005
Posts: 3,809 Likes: 1
enthusiast
|
enthusiast
Joined: Dec 2005
Posts: 3,809 Likes: 1 |
What a breath of fresh air! Bravo Mr. Netanyahu! It's about time someone started talking sense. The only path to peace in the Mideast is
* a Greater Isreal with the terrorists confined behind walls
* 25 mile deep, Israeli-controlled buffer zones in Lebanon, Syria, Jordan and Egypt
* Regime change in an Iran devoid of infrastructure
How eager they are to be slaves - Tiberius Caesar
Coulda tripped out easy, but I've changed my ways - Donovan
|
|
|
|
Joined: May 2005
Posts: 47,271 Likes: 351
Member CHB-OG
|
Member CHB-OG
Joined: May 2005
Posts: 47,271 Likes: 351 |
Netanyahu never really believed in the two-state solution, which has the been the foundation of Mideast diplomatic initiatives for two decades, but he figured out that if he mouthed the words, he could gain access to the discussion table and slyly obstruct from there. That's just what sociopaths do.
Contrarian, extraordinaire
|
1 member likes this:
NW Ponderer |
|
|
|
Joined: Dec 2005
Posts: 12,010
Pooh-Bah
|
OP
Pooh-Bah
Joined: Dec 2005
Posts: 12,010 |
from wiki
Netanyahu's father, Benzion, was a professor of Jewish history at Cornell University,[213] editor of the Encyclopaedia Hebraica, and a senior aide to Ze'ev Jabotinsky, who remained active in research and writing into his nineties. Regarding the Palestinian people, he stated: "That they won't be able to face [anymore] the war with us, which will include withholding food from Arab cities, preventing education, terminating electrical power and more. They won't be able to exist, and they will run away from here. But it all depends on the war, and whether we will win the battles with them."[214] Netanyahu has dismissed those who note similarities between his relentlessly hawkish views and those of his late father as "psychobabble". For example, David Remnick has written: "To understand Bibi, you have to understand the father."[215]
i
"It's not a lie if you believe it." -- George Costanza The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves. --Bertrand Russel
|
|
|
|
Joined: May 2006
Posts: 4,862 Likes: 77
old hand
|
old hand
Joined: May 2006
Posts: 4,862 Likes: 77 |
There is more going on in Palestine than the folks who tried to blow up Israel. How about the simple fact that Israel is taking Palestinian Homes. I read that the Jews of Palestine own all the land of Palestine because Rome took over Palestine several centuries ago. I do not think that is right nor do I think that there is anything legal about that. Anyway, Israel has been mis-treating Palestineans for a very long time and stealing their homes is just part of it. I should add that I am not anti jew, and don't really care about anybody's religion unless it causes me problems. I'm kinda old and, so far, I have never found somebody's religion to be effecting me and so its none of my business.
Its interesting. With all of the American-Israel-Palestine stuff going on. and all what's being said and reported this one is kinda ignored. The current problems, I suspect, have certainly caused some pretty bad blood between Israel and the Palestinians. That is especially true give that Israel has been slaughtering Palestinians with a will.
I was watching Netanyahu before anything happened and the man was REALLY down on the Palestinians. I read that then have been Israelis teenagers, that go into Palestinian areas to beat up, and sometimes kill Palestinians for pleasure! I have no idea if that is true but it has been reported. Anyway, there seems to me that this kind of behavior should be better reported.
Google "israel taking Palestinian homes" and read a bit about how Palestinians have been treated. Kinda interesting..........
I, for one, think that the Palestinians deserve to have there own country too.
|
1 member likes this:
pdx rick |
|
|
|
Joined: May 2005
Posts: 47,271 Likes: 351
Member CHB-OG
|
Member CHB-OG
Joined: May 2005
Posts: 47,271 Likes: 351 |
NutANDyahoo is a Zionist (Conservative Judaist). Zionists selfishly only want the land that Israel and the Palestinians now occupy all for themselves. This is why NutANDyahoo has inflicted so much carnage on the Palestinian people, currently. (Over 33,000 dead Palestinians since October 7, 2023 with 70% being women and children). This is contrary to the two-state solution proposed in 1948 when Israel was formed.
Rational folks who practice Judaism know the two-state solution is fair and reasonable and agree with the idea. Zionists won't give an inch. Ergo, the "problem" the area experiences today. Unfortunately, Israel's population is currently more Zionist than rational Judaists.
Contrarian, extraordinaire
|
1 member likes this:
NW Ponderer |
|
|
|
Joined: May 2006
Posts: 4,862 Likes: 77
old hand
|
old hand
Joined: May 2006
Posts: 4,862 Likes: 77 |
I think the simple fact is that Biden has already said there WILL be a Palestinian state. As far as I can tell that is one thing he will not give on. If it happens the Palestinians will actually have real freedom for the first time in a very long time.
I have read that Netanyahu really has no support except from the Israel hard right and would lose any election immediately. I think I heard that the last march against him was made with a MILLION anti-Netanyahu's and he doesn't stand a chance. Even most of Israel wants him gone.
I also firmly believe that his slaughter of the Palestinians was made on purpose. In speeches its obvious that he wants them ALL gone from their own lands. This is not a Jewish thing but yet another small group of extremists I think. The American way seems to be moving out to other places?
|
1 member likes this:
NW Ponderer |
|
|
|
Joined: May 2005
Posts: 47,271 Likes: 351
Member CHB-OG
|
Member CHB-OG
Joined: May 2005
Posts: 47,271 Likes: 351 |
I also firmly believe that his slaughter of the Palestinians was made on purpose. In speeches its obvious that he wants them ALL gone from their own lands. This is not a Jewish thing but yet another small group of extremists I think. Agreed. This is not a Jewish thing, it's a greedy conservative thing, by conservatives who happen to be Jewish.
Contrarian, extraordinaire
|
2 members like this:
Jeffery J. Haas, NW Ponderer |
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2011
Posts: 17,985 Likes: 178
Moderator Carpal Tunnel
|
Moderator Carpal Tunnel
Joined: Sep 2011
Posts: 17,985 Likes: 178 |
There is no way - none - that the genocide being perpetrated in Gaza is anything other than trying to bring to fruition Netanyahu's desire to eliminate the Palestinians as a people. He has said as much, and how anyone can argue otherwise it's mind boggling. Like Trump, we should take him literally and seriously.
Even the attack on World Central Kitchen was not an "accident". It was calculated to do exactly what it did - cut off aid to the population of Gaza. If the local commanders didn't intend this is irrelevant, it's what Bibi and his hand-picked confederates want. They are doing the absolute minimum to alleviate suffering in Gaza to give cover to their real intent. The IDF is obviously capable of doing so much more, but he won't allow it.
He's not just Zionist, he's a murderous fascist thug manipulating conditions to achieve his stated goal - "Israeli control from the river to the sea."
A well reasoned argument is like a diamond: impervious to corruption and crystal clear - and infinitely rarer.
Here, as elsewhere, people are outraged at what feels like a rigged game -- an economy that won't respond, a democracy that won't listen, and a financial sector that holds all the cards. - Robert Reich
|
2 members like this:
pdx rick, Jeffery J. Haas |
|
|
|
Joined: May 2005
Posts: 47,271 Likes: 351
Member CHB-OG
|
Member CHB-OG
Joined: May 2005
Posts: 47,271 Likes: 351 |
Conservative Jared Kushner said the quiet part out loud: ‘waterfront property could be very valuable’and says Israel should bulldoze an area of the Negev desert and move Palestinians there
Contrarian, extraordinaire
|
|
|
|
Joined: May 2006
Posts: 4,862 Likes: 77
old hand
|
old hand
Joined: May 2006
Posts: 4,862 Likes: 77 |
Yep..... I have been following him since before this all happened and, then, he was REAL specific that they just had to go away.
Yesterday I was watching tv and one of the Michigan followers of Islam where yelling about how Biden isn't doing enough and they are all just not gonna vote. Somebody should point out to them that Biden is hard firm about establishing a land for the Palestinians. You can be sure that Trump will not do that. They are, she said, willing to not vote for Biden because he hasn't done enough (I think she wanted us to goto war). This was, to my way of thinking, crazy. She seemed so American so, I guess, she was basically yet another display of American stupidity playing my way or the highway.
Its interesting. This whole mess was created by the United States and the UK to get the Jewish terrorist group (forget the name). The original plan was to have two states, one Jewish and the other Palestinian. However, somehow the Palestinians were forgotten. Those running the new state of Israel said that they would just take all the Palestinians in as citizens. I think we all know what happened (or didn't). Biden has said that there WILL be a Palestinian nation. I'm equally sure that it will be next to Israel and there are going to be strict rules.
I also think that its REALLY time for the Israelites to stop stealing Palestinian homes and give those taken back.
Last edited by jgw; 04/07/24 06:49 PM.
|
|
|
|
Joined: May 2005
Posts: 47,271 Likes: 351
Member CHB-OG
|
Member CHB-OG
Joined: May 2005
Posts: 47,271 Likes: 351 |
The decision [to withdrawal troops] came less than two days after Israel opened the Erez Crossing and Ashdod port to transfer humanitarian aid, decisions made under threat by the US of potentially losing weapons support after Jerusalem had refused these requests from Washington for months.
Contrarian, extraordinaire
|
|
|
|
Joined: May 2006
Posts: 4,862 Likes: 77
old hand
|
old hand
Joined: May 2006
Posts: 4,862 Likes: 77 |
If everything works out then its next step time. This time creating an actual home for the Palestinians as originally planned. I watched them returning to where they lived and found just rubble.
That's gonna be pretty interesting!
|
1 member likes this:
pdx rick |
|
|
|
Joined: May 2005
Posts: 47,271 Likes: 351
Member CHB-OG
|
Member CHB-OG
Joined: May 2005
Posts: 47,271 Likes: 351 |
If everything works out then its next step time. This time creating an actual home for the Palestinians as originally planned. I watched them returning to where they lived and found just rubble.
That's gonna be pretty interesting! I agree. There are oil fields off the coast of Gaza that the UN laid claim to the Palestinians. The end game of wiping out the Palestinian people is the not only agenda item for conservative Zionists.
Contrarian, extraordinaire
|
|
|
|
Joined: May 2006
Posts: 4,862 Likes: 77
old hand
|
old hand
Joined: May 2006
Posts: 4,862 Likes: 77 |
I think Biden has got to stop dancing around and actually shut it all down until the new Palestine is accomplished. Until that's done they will keep on slaughtering them. If the oil belongs to Palestine then that's the way it is. It seems to me that Israel doesn't need anything so we should not waste our time as they aren't upset at all at Biden threats.
I also think that Palestine was the original thing, Israel promised to make the Palestinians ciitizens which may have happened to a few but most, as far as I know are not. Instead they are something to make gone. Right now its a little like the Israel nuclear bomb. They got that even though they were told not to do that. They have had it for years;. We were not in favor of it but they did it anyway and nothing happened. I think they think they got us by the balls and can do whatever they want whenever they want.
Time to change I think.............
|
|
|
|
Joined: May 2006
Posts: 4,862 Likes: 77
old hand
|
old hand
Joined: May 2006
Posts: 4,862 Likes: 77 |
Biden, I think, is determined not to win his second term. I am saying this because he continues to support Netanyahu no matter what. He keeps giving him bombs and, now, it seems he is also determined to support war itself. Instead of reigning in Netanyahu he just keeps on giving him bombs and now he's not just supporting bombs to kill Palestinians but, apparently, he is going to war with Iran which can really grow and grow and grow. If you think that the marches over the Palestinians are a big deal wait when we get our military over there to bail him out (regardless of the simple fact that Netanyahu started it all).
I know, everybody thought it was all over. I just heard about how a ammunition depot in another country but owned by Iran and was apparently bombed by Israel.
I wish us all luck.....
|
|
|
|
Joined: May 2006
Posts: 4,862 Likes: 77
old hand
|
old hand
Joined: May 2006
Posts: 4,862 Likes: 77 |
obviously, I was flat out wrong as per the blabla above this. Apparenty Iran is going to ignore the last one. This being the case its Iran who is saving the day. and Netanyahu will be continuing the slaughter of more Parestinians and Biden will proudly state how he is supporting Israel. Its not quite as disgusting as I had inferred - apologies.......
|
|
|
|
Joined: Oct 2007
Posts: 3,200 Likes: 3
enthusiast
|
enthusiast
Joined: Oct 2007
Posts: 3,200 Likes: 3 |
Ok, I’ll break with my oath of not engaging with rightwing ideologues as there’s nothing to be gained from doing so but this state of international affairs is to ironic, stupid and dangerous to pass up. One the one hand, Congress just passed another fat war funding bill aimed at supporting two fascist ethno states. The right wing Dem party went all fandom waving flags of the ethnic white fascist regime in the Ukraine cuz Russia while the further right simmered with rage at the thought of betrayal from House Speaker Johnson’s eleventh hour compromise war funding bill. A bill that was primarily opposed by the no good, terrible anti war republican conservatives that the Dem war party can’t stand from an aesthetic sensibility.
Not that Conservatives don’t mind the killing of Muslims in particular or brown skinned cultures in general. They’ve been on board with the Israelis and their ethnofascists genocide. Just as they’ve been on board with killing Muslims or darker complected countries for, what, 50 years or better?
What an odd state of affairs. Each rightwing team has a favored ethnofascist vassal state, actively trying to cleanse an ethnic group from its borders, while the two imperial parties argue over which vassal is deserving or undeserving of billions of dollars.
Upshot: Both! You get a ethnofascist vassal state and you get an ethnofascist vassal state…
Question, how do declare a holy war against the left, globally, support coups and state violence against left wing governments, back far right dictatorships and neofascists and not become so yourself?
Answer: you already are
All those spook stories being obsessed here and in corporate propaganda media over Russian election interference while AIPAC laughs its head off…
Last edited by chunkstyle; 04/22/24 12:35 PM.
|
|
|
|
|