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I don't know if I'm ready to compare Bernie to Socrates.
As the author points out, all of Bernie's big plans require enormous tax increases. Now, as a Democrat, I don't really have a problem with increasing taxes here and there to accomplish important goals. But to our Republican controlled congress the only important goal is to decrease taxes. The irresistable force would meet the immovable object and while there might be a lot of grunting and groaning gong on from both sides of the aisle the result would essentially be an enormous clash of ideologies and a stalemate of Biblical proportions.
But from the looks of things we'll never see it happen anyway and so all this chatter about socialism becomes pretty much a moot point.
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At one time in American history, the wealthy paid taxes, now a days, not so much. ![[Linked Image from newsbatch.com]](http://www.newsbatch.com/econ-top1pct.GIF) Source
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Posted on Facebook today: Not that anyone should care, but many of you have told me (often repeatedly) of you preference for our next President, I will share my thinking.
I basically suspect anyone crazy enough to run for the office, but of those who have chosen to do so, there isn't anyone on the Republican side that I would even hire to scoop up dog poop.
Between Sanders and Clinton, I would choose Clinton. I like the rhetoric of Sanders but rhetoric isn't enough. The person needs to be electable to start with, and I doubt he would get enough votes. Beyond that, person is only as good in office as they are able to move the nation and Congress to action.
Clinton has the balls for the job but I just don't think Sanders does. Finally, I think the nation needs to elect a woman as President. We are seriously retarded in giving women power at this level compared to most nations of the world.
So, as has been the case with every election during my lifetime except Mr. Carter, I unenthusiastically support Hillary Clinton, at least at this point.
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funny: there isn't anyone on the Republican side that I would even hire to scoop up dog poop C'mon guy, tell us how you really feel... I guess I'm just a pragmatist. Both Trump and Sanders have unrealistic goals, to the point of insanity. Why bother electing somebody who can't fulfill even one tiny bit of their campaign promises, and you know that? Do you really like government not to be able to do anything? That seems like the last 6 years to me. I'm tired of it.
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Well, that's three of us pretty much on the same page.
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I don't know if I'm ready to compare Bernie to Socrates. I didn't have much time to come up with a better comparison, the point is that Bernie is questioning the roots of some of our problems and bringing them out in the open for examination. Madame Clinton is not.
You never change things by fighting the existing reality.
To change something, build a new model that makes the old model obsolete.
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They are both addressing essentially the same issues. She wants to make college more affordable. He wants to make it free.
She wants to build on the ACA. He wants to dump it and start over. Women's rights, racial equality, LBGT rights, higher wages, regulation of Wall Street, immigration etc. etc. All the normal liberal progressive issues. She wants to take the slow and steady route, he wants it all at once.
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Agreed: Her plans require at least a Democratic Senate and some arm-twisting in the House (both well within the realms of possibility). His plans require not only a Democratic Senate and House, but a very liberal Democratic Senate and House.
Don't forget, the ACA has no public option and kisses Big Pharma butt because of some Democrats who were very resistant to the bill. We have a number of fairly conservative Democrats in Congress. Even with a simple majority of Democrats, we can't pass things like raising top tax rates to 70%.
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In case one missed this: Will Trump Upend The G.O.P.?
Trump fever, Trump panic in the G.O.P. On the eve of Super Tuesday, we’ll look at the political battle shaking the party.http://www.npr.org/podcasts/510053/on-point-with-tom-ashbrook
Get your facts first, then you can distort them as you please.
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It's the Despair Quotient! Carpal Tunnel
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It's the Despair Quotient! Carpal Tunnel
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They are both addressing essentially the same issues. She wants to make college more affordable. He wants to make it free.
She wants to build on the ACA. He wants to dump it and start over. Women's rights, racial equality, LBGT rights, higher wages, regulation of Wall Street, immigration etc. etc. All the normal liberal progressive issues. She wants to take the slow and steady route, he wants it all at once. Not sure Bernie wants to "dump the ACA" and start over, if only because he's aware of the difficulties that would arise from a scorched Earth approach. He does want to put something else together and TRANSITION to it when it's ready.
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