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Boy, between Trump's fraud case and Cruz's little Canadian birth problem, the Republicans could end up with no nominee! Maybe by convention time both of these issues will be in full bloom and they will have to draft Kasich.

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Originally Posted by pondering_it_all
Boy, between Trump's fraud case and Cruz's little Canadian birth problem, the Republicans could end up with no nominee! Maybe by convention time both of these issues will be in full bloom and they will have to draft Kasich.
As with Whitewater, the Rethuglicons are hoping that any of these myriad of investigations of Hillary, will put Hillary into prison. Hmm


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"hoped", not "hope". They tried throwing every kind of poop possible against that wall, but none of it has stuck.

Which brings us to an interesting point: They have never attacked Sanders like they have the Clintons. It looks like he won't be the nominee, but if he had made it the attacks would be relentless. The main reason they have held off is that Bernie Sanders is the candidate they would love to run against, because he is so vulnerable. By the time they were finished with him, he would get less than 1/3 of the vote. His polls only look good because Republicans want it that way.

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I just happened to come across this today:

Please, FBI — you’re our last hope: The Democratic Party’s future rests upon {FBI's] probe of Hillary Clinton’s emails

(Goodman seems to be a Bernie Bro going through the five stages of grief and he's the 'bargaining' stage of grief right now. smile )


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Originally Posted by pondering_it_all
"hoped", not "hope". They tried throwing every kind of poop possible against that wall, but none of it has stuck.

Which brings us to an interesting point: They have never attacked Sanders like they have the Clintons. It looks like he won't be the nominee, but if he had made it the attacks would be relentless. The main reason they have held off is that Bernie Sanders is the candidate they would love to run against, because he is so vulnerable. By the time they were finished with him, he would get less than 1/3 of the vote. His polls only look good because Republicans want it that way.

Everybody keeps saying that....WHY?
What are they going to say? Lemme guess...

OMG TEH SOCIALISMZ!!!! tinfoilhat

OMG TEH SOCIALISMZ!!!!
OMG TEH SOCIALISMZ!!!!
OMG TEH SOCIALISMZ!!!!
OMG TEH SOCIALISMZ!!!!

Eaayaaaaaaghhhhhhhh!!!! (runs around room with hair on fire)

Yeah? So???
Think back, people. The Republican Party has called FDR, Truman, Kennedy, Johnson, Carter, Clinton and Obama socialists.
That's SEVEN PRESIDENTS over a span of THREE generations!
They even called Ike Eisenhower A COMMUNIST!

Do you not get a sense of BOY. WHO. CRIED. WOLF, after all this time?
Isn't it about time someone started saying "boy who cried wolf?"
This baloney commie tag, they seem to think it's radioactive, like the conservatives who think that all they have to do is say "LIBTARD" and they've won the argument.

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Who IS IT that gives these angry little humunculi that much power?
WE DO.

ENOUGH.

Let em try to hang the socialist tag on Sanders.
Maybe it's a moot point now, with Clinton now having the mathematical advantage, but I still say that it is time for a cage match and it's time to end this once and for all, because guess what?
They're going to call Hillary Clinton a socialist too.
And anyone who thinks otherwise, or thinks there will be some kind of honeymoon between them and Hillary, is delusional.
But I still say, Bernie or no Bernie, it is high time Democrats and ALL liberals drive a stake through the heart of the red baiters now and for all time.

Everything we feared about Communism, that we would lose our homes and savings, and be forced to toil endlessly for meager wages with no voice in the system, has come true under REPUBLICANS.

Everyone knows it, but none dare speak its name.
Well I WILL speak its name. Republicans are worse than communists, more dangerous than communists, more everything.
And socialism has a long and rewarding history in this country, so it is time they shut the Hell up, and if they don't shut up, it's time we shut them up.

Name ONE THING that Americans didn't give the conservatives in the last forty years, things they DEMANDED in order to set the economy right...ONE THING.

They can't. No one can because America gave them carte blanche starting with Reagan and it continued till present day.
And they have screwed the pooch. America is turning into one big Kansas because of their moronic ideas about the economy.

They are wrong, they always have been wrong, about the economy, about everything. So why should their words have any power, about Bernie or about any damn thing.

ENOUGH. I'm sick of it and the rest of you should be too.
The Emperor has no f****ing clothes.


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Originally Posted by Jeffery J. Haas
Everybody keeps saying that....WHY?
What are they going to say? Lemme guess...

OMG TEH SOCIALISMZ!!!! tinfoilhat
As we have already seen on Reader Rant - some on the political right think that the 1930s German Democratic Socialist Party was left wing.

So they equate Bernie Sanders with 1930s Germany and can't understand why half of America is not upset with Bernie being a "socialist."


...and when these same folks are not breathlessly hyperventilating about Bernie's "socialism," they're conflating American Socialism with Communism. crazy

Never mind the FACT that Social Security, Medicare, Unemployment, Fire/Police protections, Interstate highways, are all paid for by the contribution from everyone for the benefit of the whole, and are indeed, examples of American socialism.


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Originally Posted by pdx rick
Originally Posted by Jeffery J. Haas
Everybody keeps saying that....WHY?
What are they going to say? Lemme guess...

OMG TEH SOCIALISMZ!!!! tinfoilhat
As we have already seen on Reader Rant - some on the political right think that the 1930s German Democratic Socialist Party was left wing.

So they equate Bernie Sanders with 1930s Germany and can't understand why half of America is not upset with Bernie being a "socialist."

Yeah but would they be voting for EITHER HRC or Sanders?
Oh Hell no, those are the Cruz and Trump voters!
No point in trying to reason with them anyway, so it's not like either Dem candidate is going to lose their votes.

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...and when these same folks are not breathlessly hyperventilating about Bernie's "socialism," they're conflating American Socialism with Communism. crazy

Never mind the FACT that Social Security, Medicare, Unemployment, Fire/Police protections, Interstate highways, are all paid for by the contribution from everyone for the benefit of the whole, and are indeed, examples of American socialism.

Yeah but again, they've always thought that way, they've always behaved that way, they ARE the problem!

We either hit this head on and slay the dragon or satisfy ourselves with a never ending succession of Democratic Casper Milquetoasts who whine: "Well yeah you conservatives might be right but I'm not that liberal!"

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The only problem is that Sanders is not a "democratic socialist", he is a Socialist. And by that I mean that he visited Cuba and the USSR when they were Communists and publicly praised their leaders and their system of government. He visited the Sandinistas and did the same. You don't think that would be dragged out there again?

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They could rehash his attacks on compulsory schooling, dairy laws, and fluoridation, or his Freudian analysis of napalm use in Vietnam, or his advocacy of public toddler nudity and genital touching as cures for porn, or the sexual quackery through which he attributed breast cancer and cervical cancer to orgasm deficiency and capitalist conformity.
Basically, if you were designing the perfect target for Republicans—a candidate who proudly links socialist economics to hippie culture, libertinism, left-wing foreign policy, new-age nonsense, and contempt for bourgeois values—you’d create Bernie Sanders.

from Polls say Bernie is more electable...

Personally, I have no problem with America turning into a Swedish-style socialist paradise. But once Republicans finished attacking Sanders all the Independents and many of the Democrats would not vote for him. That's why I say Republicans would LOVE to run against Bernie. This is just political reality even if you don't think it is fair.

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Ehhh, he's a democratic socialist, and not even all that much of one.
I won't even capitalize it for him, small d, small s.

The REAL Socialists won't even shake his hand, PIA.
In fact, he's such a mild blend of democratic socialist that even the Democratic Socialists want nothing to do with him.

Personally I say he should have just said he was an independent liberal, because really he's just a blend of FDR, TR and Eisenhower all rolled into one, with a little Ben and Jerry's sprinkled on top.

I have a good buddy down in Venice Beach who is a card carrying member of the real Democratic Socialist Party. He says that Bernie fails the test for a true DS on too many levels and that, in his opinion, Bernie is too much of a sellout because he should have run as an independent or write-in candidate, and he should have REVISITED all those socialist nations and made some speeches during his run. He says Bernie is WAAAAY too conservative.

The Bernie in the above quote that you referenced is from four or five decades ago.
Typical Republican smears, they have the millions to spew it nationwide of course, but again...when it all boils down to the rubber meeting the road, it doesn't even matter if Bernie wins or not.

Our mission is to move America back to the center-left, WITH a Bernie or without.
Yeah, I would love to see Bernie take the Oath of Office, but in the end, if he loses, he IS going to return to Congress more than likely, he IS going to hold his head up high and he WILL have made a huge difference, and the people who supported him will continue to seek out traditional liberals who understand the basic principles of hybrid capitalist-dem soc economics, resource based societies, community heavy lifting, upward mobility for the middle class and energy efficiency.

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"He's not moving a party to the left. He's moving a generation to the left," Della Volpe said of the senator from Vermont. "Whether or not he's winning or losing, it's really that he's impacting the way in which a generation — the largest generation in the history of America — thinks about politics."
Bernie is Profoundly Changing How a Generation Thinks About Politics...

And in the past, the only way the right wing establishment has been able to quench those fires is by assassinating the most charismatic leaders, one after another, and then mounting a large media campaign with somber intonations about "The End of an Era".
Bullet to the head for JFK, RFK, MLK, bring in the cowboy TV actor, "end of an era", hippies suck, government can't do anything right, money is God, greed is good, suck the appendage of your local billionaire, say the pledge, salute the flag, fight a war and say your prayers.

Yeah, they've had their forty years of fame.
IT'S OVER NOW, it's OUR turn to say "end of an era".

Next time they try shooting liberal heroes, I'm betting there will be some very bloody consequences that are aimed directly at the right's key figures.
Think Bastille Day, think whatever you want.
I'm not rubbing my hands with glee over it, trust me.
In fact I think the result of such an attempt might even trigger something close to October 1917.

NO ONE WINS something like that, but plenty of very wealthy people lose something like that, and plenty of their supporters lose their heads. The right is very good with showy displays of guns and ammo, tatoos and Gadsden flags, and angry talk, and all of it evaporates into fat guys asking for snacks over the internet and pissed off old white men getting gunned down in the snow because they think it's their right to pull guns on sheriffs.

But if you look back at history, it's the LEFT...not the moderate left, the HARDCORE ANGRY LEFT, the ANARCHIST LEFT, that really knows how to kick some ass, they go in for some bloody guillotine inspired ass kicking. The hardcore anarchist left hangs gun toting paramilitary types from the third floor of office buildings and sets stuff on fire.
It's like one of those zombie apocalypse films.

No, I am not a fan of that. I'm far too moderate a liberal to enjoy that. I just like my public schools and post offices and high tech wizard-y gadgets and my dreams of electric hot rods zooming down the freeway.

The hardcore right has been talking smack now for about a decade.
And now we've watched several high profile mini-wars go down, where the right has attempted to push ordinary people into a corner and dare the government to fight back.

The right now thinks that they have license to threaten ordinary people. And I do think that, win or lose, Bernie or Hillary, that there WILL be a mass right wing mini-riot on several fronts.

They better stick with remote wildlife refuges for these shindigs because if they roll into a city and try pulling a stunt like that, it's not going to end well for them.
Snacks will not be forthcoming.

I pray that cooler heads will prevail.


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Let's face it, Hillary Clinton is the establishment candidate, which is why she will ultimately win. She is the most "moderate" candidate in the ballot, and will, ultimately, do the least damage to the status quo. Trump was able to steal a march on the GOP because it was in such disarray and allowed too many inflated egos on the stage. He understood that election coverage was tabloid entertainment, but when it comes to actual elections, people will turn to the most moderate, stable candidate.

I love that Bernie Sanders has had such a run because he has changed the conversation. He'll have significant influence over the Democratic platform just like the socialists did in 1932. Clinton, like FDR, will take those socialist concepts and mold then into centrist policies, because that is where the real center is in America now.

Franklin Roosevelt saved capitalism from itself (actually, both Roosevelts did), but he didn't throw it out. He understood that there has to be balance in the economy, and that it was seriously out of whack. The enemies of progress are more sophisticated, now, but the underlying yearning for fairness, which is the heart of the American experience, will win out, eventually. I think we're on the brink of that breakthrough.


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