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...and there's less and less "angry old white guys" every four years.

According to Real Clear Politics' Monday, June 6th 2016 poll, Bernie beats Trump by 10 points; Hillary beats Trump by 5 points.

The issue that the Republican Elite have with Donald Trump is that he voices what they say in private.

If it sucks so much, how about we cancel all their votes. Then Hillary is instantly the winner, because she would have more than half the total remaining delegates. No, the Sanders camp has to take this argument back because the existence of superdelegates is all that is keeping the race open now.

So, I guess we'll be hearing from Sanders on about Friday? Or is he not really a Democrat?

Hillary's concession in 2008 is the act that signaled her devotion to the Democratic Party. And that single act made her LOTS of friends who are now in superdelegate positions. This is how the party system works. Sometimes you take one for the team, and sometimes the team decides you are MVP. Nobody owes the new guy anything.

Sorry PIA, but it does suck. The idea that there is a need for deciding votes from lobbyists and Party hacks that can supersede the votes from the rank and file is a BAD idea. Always has been. Bernie doesn't need the super delegates to make his point. It has already been made: there is a deep schism in the Democratic Party.
This is common in Parties that act as umbrellas to differing factions (as any two Party country must). What happens when there are multiple Parties? They form coalitions for the elections around some candidate, however, each Party keeps its identity.
What we see in both the Republican and Democratic Parties is that the internal factions do not allow the existence of one Party identity, hence, no identity (or a very fuzzy one).
The reality is that NO ONE Party will ever truly represent a majority. It will always be a coalition of varying degrees of differentiation between members of any Party (even in small Parties this happens).
In the end, anyone with a brain will not vote for Trump so this is the Dems election to lose. Hopefully they can get their act together and win back both houses, eventually. The only way that will happen is if they acknowledge the existence of the left within the ranks of the Democratic Party. Trying to make believe it doesn't exist, or worse, as Jeff has said, throwing it under the bus is a losing proposition for the Democratic Party, and dare I say, for the country as well.

I think almost all Democrats like the idea of free college for everybody so inclined and talented, and they like the idea of single-payer health coverage. Nobody in the mainstream Democratic Party wants to throw the left under a bus. BUT they just think that those are long-term goals. Run on those as issues today and you lose. Try to implement those things on day 1 of a Presidency and they get defeated. We have to work toward them and one way to do that is to change the makeup of the Supreme Court. The other is incremental legislation, and to do that we need to take back both Houses of Congress. I know Bernie's Bros are not big on patience, but that is the way the US system of governance works. Revolutions get crushed.

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Right now, this very moment, the existence of superdelegates is the only reason Bernie has to stay in the race. If not for them, Hillary would be the winner right now and Bernie would be done. So you can say they suck, and Bernie and his wife can say they suck, but if that really is true then Bernie is free to pretend they don't and quit. I doubt he will.

You keep returning to Bernie, as if he were the first to point out the flaws in the super delegate system. In 2008, when the super delegate system was NOT working in her favor, Hillary said:


It's called opportunism and it is a common trait amongst politicians.

They do if you are a Hillary Sheep.

The idea of advancing an agenda?? I dunno, just a thought.