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In his biggest political blunder since naming Sarah Palin to the Republican ticket as his running mate, McCain backtracks after blaming Obama for shooting in Orlando. Yeah he "misspoke", since he should have pointed out that it was George Bush (with McCain's full-throated support) that created ISIS by invading Iraq, and then giving millions of armed Iraqi soldiers and Baathists the boot following the destruction of its infrastructure...



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The Republican national convention is just a month away (July 18-21) and the party is in disarray. Meanwhile, the Democratic convention follows a week later (July 25-28). Party candidates usual receive a "convention bump" (as do many party girls) the weeks after the convention. If the pattern holds true, even Trump could get a positive bump from the convention (John Kerry remains the only modern candidate to not have gotten a bump following the convention). Once Hillary gets hers, though, that will have been Trump's high water point for the campaign. I see record viewership and the contrast between the conventions likely to be stark. Democratic unity will lead to a tsunami in November.


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Originally Posted by NW Ponderer
In his biggest political blunder since naming Sarah Palin to the Republican ticket as his running mate, McCain backtracks after blaming Obama for shooting in Orlando. Yeah he "misspoke", since he should have pointed out that it was George Bush (with McCain's full-throated support) that created ISIS by invading Iraq, and then giving millions of armed Iraqi soldiers and Baathists the boot following the destruction of its infrastructure...
Yup. Yet Rethugliclowns say it was Obama's early withdrawal from Iraq the caused ISIS. Rethugliclowns never seem to accept responsibility for what they have done. Hmm

This country cannot afford four years or eight years of their administrations. mad


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I have long suspected that McCain lost any semblance of sanity in 2008.


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...and to be fair to George W, it was L Paul Bremmer that caused ISIS when he fired ALL Iraqi Police and ALL Iraqi Military in June 2003 as Coalition Authority Act 2. And, it was George W's VP Dick Cheney that fixed the Intel analysis from the CIA which Colin Powell repeated to the U.N. which got us into the Iraq 2 War.


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To "be fair" to George W. Bush, he appointed both Dick Cheney and L. Paul Bremer and supported their cockamamie decisions. Just How Much Should Paul Bremer Be Blamed for the Rise of the Islamic State?
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[ In the Boston Globe, Neil] Swidey quotes from an article he wrote in 2003, in which Middle East specialist As’ad AbuKhalil said: “The Soviet occupation of Afghanistan gave us the Taliban. The American occupation of Saudi Arabia gave us bin Laden and Al Qaeda. The Israeli occupation of Lebanon gave us Hezbollah. Let us see what the American occupation of Iraq is going to give us.”

We all know the answer to that: the Islamic State — perhaps the most authoritarian, cruelest, and powerful terrorist organization of all time. The Islamic State, of course, is comprised at its command levels by former members of Saddam Hussein’s military. You know, the one that Paul Bremer disbanded shortly after he banned much of the Baath Party from civil service jobs under the new regime. For his part, writes Swidey:

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Although Bremer has come to be regarded as the sole author of this decree to root out Saddam loyalists from the Iraqi government, that is simply not true. Drafts of the order had been circulating around the Pentagon long before Bremer’s appointment.


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Originally Posted by NW Ponderer
To "be fair" to George W. Bush, he appointed both Dick Cheney and L. Paul Bremer and supported their cockamamie decisions.
Frontline stated that it was L. Paul Bremmer's unilateral decision to invoke Coalition Provisional Authority 2 against George W's wishes. Hmm

(Trust me, I'm no George W fan, but I've come to realize that he really wasn't in charge during the first-half of his tenure.)


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Inasmuch as it happened on his watch, he should be held responsible. But, I agree that he probably hadn't yet figured out the deeper meaning in "Curious George and the Birthday Surprise" so, how much of a cardboard cutout he was, and the obvious fact that the decisions that emanated from Cheney and Rumsfeld, and that whole neo-con sleaze fest, were the driving forced behind the whole Iraq tragedy make it, in my view, more their fault. He was easily manipulated and that very well may be why they wanted him as president from the get go.


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Originally Posted by Ezekiel
He was easily manipulated and that very well may be why they wanted him as president from the get go.
Which goes to show that his college transcripts, etc does suggest that George W wasn't very bright, but a very naive, affable, man.


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I think that you are being far too kind.


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