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And that’s the thing that gets me Phil. The fact that Trump could even be in the running is astonishing to me and very disconcerting. Some polls have him neck and neck, others with a slight lead, and some that show Hillary with a substantial lead. I don’t know how these polls are conducted but if they only call landlines then the results would not be representative of the voters in general. At least I hope so.

We understand why he is so popular. He promises the left behind Americans that he will, through his sheer awesomeness, bring back the “good old days”. And they believe him. He thinks that tulips bloom beneath the snow......

Yet as RBG (ill-advisedly) stated, he is indeed a charlatan.

“Funny" times indeed...


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Never underestimate the stupidity of the American voter
In their(our) defense President Obama was elected twice by comfortable margins. Republicans did their level best to defeat him. The first time they tried a war hero/monger who never met a war he didn't like and and and a radical right winger who preached pretty much the same message Trump is running on. The second time a rich businessman/politician and a well loved Republican economic policy wonk known to have his eye on the presidency. They couldn't put the numbers together then and they wont this time either. There is a fair percentage of Republicans who will sit this one out or vote for Gary Johnson. Johnson is polling around 10% and very few of those are Democrats, his numbers may go up as the race progresses.

Democrats have their own problems but I just don't see them affecting as many voters. Jill Stein might pull in a few disgruntled Bernie Bros but my cracked crystal ball says it wont be much over 2%. The biggest thing Democrats have going for them is universal hatred for Donald Trump. Many, who might have sat this one out, will be energized to get out and vote against him.

The Republican Convention is playing out to be an utter failure as it looks more and more like nobody who is anybody is actually going to show up and their sponsorship has dried up as well. The excitement level among Republicans is off the bottom of the charts.

The Republican Platform is draconian and guaranteed to appeal only to the very basest of the Republican base voters. The Democratic Platform is perhaps the most progressive in my lifetime. Any lefty who still thinks this is a lesser of two evils situation is, in my opinion, just plain wrong and I generally credit progressives for having at least some degree of common sense politically.

Despite what the polls may be saying, things really aren't looking good for Trump. So try to relax, Phil, and please, if I get kinda nervous and jittery in the next few months, do me the kindness of reassuring me that a Donald Trump presidency is just not going to happen.





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Originally Posted by Ken Condon
And that’s the thing that gets me Phil. The fact that Trump could even be in the running is astonishing to me and very disconcerting.
It's the T-Baggers that are supporting Trump, not real conservatives. Hmm Real conservatives are sitting this one out, while the T-Baggers are employing their scorched earth philosophy as usual with Trump.


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Here is one major reason why Trump doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell:

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What has happened is that the gap between the share of voters who identify themselves as Democrats compared with those who consider themselves Republicans has grown so wide that, for the GOP, winning a majority of the independent vote nationally is necessary but no longer sufficient for winning a national popular vote. In this past election, 38 percent of voters called themselves Democrats, and just 32 percent called themselves Republicans. In 2008, it was Democrats at 39 percent and Republicans at 32 percent. Over the past five elections, only in 2004 were the two parties evenly matched at 37 percent each. In the other four elections, the Democratic advantage has been 4 points in 2000 (when Al Gore won the popular vote but lost the Electoral College), 5 points in 1996, 6 points in 2012, and 7 points in 2008. This is certainly one reason why Republicans have lost the popular vote in five of the past six elections; generally there are more Democrats than Republicans. When the gap gets really wide, independents can’t make the difference.

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With open carry laws in Cleveland, the Republithug convention will make for interesting TV. Massive protests are planned. The FBI has been "interrogating" known Democratic supporters in advance of the convention.

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LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES, including the FBI, have been knocking on the doors of activists and community organizers in Cleveland, Ohio, asking about their plans for the Republican National Convention in July.

As the city gears up to welcome an estimated 50,000 visitors, and an unknown number of protesters, some of the preparations and restrictions put in place by officials have angered civil rights activists. But the latest string of unannounced home visits by local and federal police marks a significant escalation in officials’ efforts to stifle protest, they say.

“The purpose of these door knocks is simple: to intimidate the target and others in efforts to discourage people from engaging in lawful First Amendment activities,” Jocelyn Rosnick, a coordinator with the Ohio chapter of the National Lawyers Guild, wrote in a statement denouncing the home visits.





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Any lefty who still thinks this is a lesser of two evils situation is, in my opinion, just plain wrong and I generally credit progressives for having at least some degree of common sense politically.

Nonsense. No one on the left would vote for the Republican Party (and certainly NEVER for Trump and sixpence), period. Clinton will get the votes from the left - since usually most Democratic candidates do.
The changes to the platform are encouraging but way less than they should be, especially with respect to the economy and foreign policy.
So it is and always has been, for those who believe in real democracy, the lesser of two evils.

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The Democratic platform doesn’t achieve that coherence. It is significantly more progressive than recent party platforms, especially on criminal-justice reform and the need to empower workers. It’s got some good language on climate change and banking reform, but too frequently punches are pulled where they should be thrown—as with its wrongheaded avoidance of formal opposition to the Trans-Pacific Partnership trade deal, corporate-welfare schemes, and lobbyist abuses. But the devil is not in the details; it’s in the lack of an overarching vision. The platform doesn’t provide a clear sense of how all the pieces of America’s economic, social, and political puzzle might fit together with the Democrats in power.
That’s something Clinton and her running mate will have to provide. They must paint the big picture of America as a country where prosperity really is shared, where inequality is addressed, and where marginalized people will know that a strong and functional government is on their side. Clinton should tell the convention and the country that it’s a very big deal that a woman has been nominated by a major party for president, and she should use this evidence of social progress to explain the greater progress she now seeks. There will be doubters—of the nominee’s commitment, and of the prospects for serious change. Clinton should answer them with a bolder vision and a sense of what could be accomplished if we’re prepared to tax billionaires and to ensure that no one who works 40 hours a week will live in poverty; to break up corporate monopolies and renew competition and honest entrepreneurship; to address climate change with the same determination with which we put a man on the moon; to amend the Constitution to get big money out of politics; and, finally, to guarantee the right to vote and to address structural racism, sexism, homophobia, and anti-immigrant bigotry, because doing so will free all of us to build on the promise of an American dream that has been too long deferred. She should not hesitate to echo Sanders, who endorsed her on July 12, and Sanders and his supporters should not hesitate to prod the nominee to fully and consistently embrace progressive positions. That prodding, especially on issues of economic and political reform, will make Clinton and the Democrats stronger.

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Originally Posted by Ezekiel
No it is not. Nor is America a Christian Country. Yet, many on the right try to make America both Christian AND Conservative.

What these people are trying to do to America is no different than what ISIS is doing to the middle east: Assert their influence and lifestyle.

Those lofty Liberal ideas that man has free will, is a free thinker, that our Founding Fathers invoked to begin our country - should tell the conservatives everything that they need to know.


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Originally Posted by Greger
Any lefty who still thinks this is a lesser of two evils situation is, in my opinion, just plain wrong and I generally credit progressives for having at least some degree of common sense politically.
This election IS about the lessor of two evils. Period. To state otherwise is being disingenuous. Hillary Clinton is center-right (or Republican-lite) as I stated here on many occasions.



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He is doomed to fail, just like his casinos.

I don't think that is true. Casinos are in the business of fleecing rubes. If he bought a casino and simply left it in the hands of ANY competent manager, it would thrive. That is just their nature.

Either he bought the casino with horrible financial terms, or he ran it into the ground through horrible decisions. Whichever it was, that takes exceptional talent as a screw-up. This single fact should be main reason why he should NOT be making any decisions in the White House.

He imagines himself a "businessman" but he is just a guy who inherited a lot of money and spends it on whatever feeds his ego.

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Hillary Clinton is center-right (or Republican-lite) as I stated here on many occasions.
We'll just have to agree to disagree on that. No center right politician would endorse the policies she endorses. She's slightly to the right of Sanders but still left of center.


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