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This is an interesting article that looks into why so many people despise Hillary: Why Do People Hate Hillary Clinton So Much Marianne Cooper, a sociologist at Stanford’s Clayman Institute for Gender Research and the lead researcher on Sheryl Sandberg’s Lean In, says that women who are successful in areas that are culturally coded as male are typically seen as “abrasive, conniving, not trustworthy, and selfish.”
What’s happening to Clinton, says Cooper, “happens to a lot of women. There are millions of people who will say about another woman: She’s really good at her job, I just don’t like her. They think they’re making an objective evaluation, but when we look at the broader analysis, there is a pattern to the bias.”
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unreliable & MoE optimism .... sounds like the key buzzwords
coin toss within the MoE sans any optimism One more time, with verve! Coin toss = 1/2 probability. (Vide J.H.S Maths) Hillary 58.3% chance of winning Trump 41.7% chance of winning Watch this space.
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Here, as elsewhere, people are outraged at what feels like a rigged game -- an economy that won't respond, a democracy that won't listen, and a financial sector that holds all the cards. - Robert Reich
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This is an interesting article that looks into why so many people despise Hillary: Why Do People Hate Hillary Clinton So Much Marianne Cooper, a sociologist at Stanford’s Clayman Institute for Gender Research and the lead researcher on Sheryl Sandberg’s Lean In, says that women who are successful in areas that are culturally coded as male are typically seen as “abrasive, conniving, not trustworthy, and selfish.”
What’s happening to Clinton, says Cooper, “happens to a lot of women. There are millions of people who will say about another woman: She’s really good at her job, I just don’t like her. They think they’re making an objective evaluation, but when we look at the broader analysis, there is a pattern to the bias.” Here we go again. Women don't need this happy horsehyte to demand and receive respect. I have known plenty of women who were true leaders , who commanded respect from men and women alike , and didn't need any excuse for it. They were respected because anyone could see they deserved respect. These are things one earns, and as such, do not need some condescending nonsense in order to be attained.
"The liberals can understand everything but people who don't understand them."
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unreliable & MoE optimism .... sounds like the key buzzwords
coin toss within the MoE sans any optimism One more time, with verve! Coin toss = 1/2 probability. (Vide J.H.S Maths) Hillary 58.3% chance of winning Trump 41.7% chance of winning Watch this space. I am hoping this differential will increase in months to come. It was once 70/26. The Kaine appointment didn't help and the Republican convention may have caused a bump for Trump. Now the Democratic convention may have a similar effect.
"The liberals can understand everything but people who don't understand them."
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"The cleverest of all, in my opinion, is the man who calls himself a fool at least once a month."
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I'm not the only one who has noticed this. I've asked a lot of Hillary haters why. A VERY few have a substantial reason based on something she actually did. (And Zeke, you are one of these few.) From one of the posts to the above article: I've personally noticed that the more frothing at the mouth someone is about Hillary Clinton, the less likely they are to cite a real reason based in reality for why. There's something visceral, emotional, and personal that people don't like about her that stokes that level of hatred.
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I'm not the only one who has noticed this. I've asked a lot of Hillary haters why. A VERY few have a substantial reason based on something she actually did. (And Zeke, you are one of these few.) From one of the posts to the above article: I've personally noticed that the more frothing at the mouth someone is about Hillary Clinton, the less likely they are to cite a real reason based in reality for why. There's something visceral, emotional, and personal that people don't like about her that stokes that level of hatred. I can see why. There can be a dose of misogyny, but I think even among women who dislike Hillary, it is something that she exudes, it has that sales aspect to it, a sort of slickness that raises peoples hackles with respect to her true intentions. There is a natural distrust of any salesperson - you immediately feel they are trying to sell you something that is in their interest and not yours. I also think most people become too personally involved in the election process. You know, the old, oh yeah, someone I'd like to have a beer with (as if that were a reason to vote for someone). Obama - in spite of being African American - exuded trust and earnestness. She did/does not. Hence, he won the nomination even though she was the "favorite" at the start. Bernie's ascension in the primaries was due to the same sensation. You also note that Elizabeth Warren does not have that same level of rejection - so it's not [only] the fact that she is a woman.
"The liberals can understand everything but people who don't understand them."
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There is a natural distrust of any salesperson - you immediately feel they are trying to sell you something that is in their interest and not yours. So where is the natural distrust of Trump? Republican voters are eating up his sales pitch.
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There is a natural distrust of any salesperson - you immediately feel they are trying to sell you something that is in their interest and not yours. So where is the natural distrust of Trump? Republican voters are eating up his sales pitch. Have you been sleeping? He has higher negatives than Clinton.
"The liberals can understand everything but people who don't understand them."
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Apparently it is just on TV that Clinton has this problem. People who have disliked her and then met her usually come away with a totally different impression. Maybe she just isn't photogenic!
I would suggest she mostly use radio and inspirational still images on the internet.
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Apparently it is just on TV that Clinton has this problem. People who have disliked her and then met her usually come away with a totally different impression. Maybe she just isn't photogenic!
I would suggest she mostly use radio and inspirational still images on the internet. How many voters have actually met her? 
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