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Ezekiel #290319 07/25/16 04:26 PM
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Have you been sleeping? He has higher negatives than Clinton.
His negatives are decreasing. Clinton's are rising.
His poll numbers are rising. Independents are swinging to him and away from Clinton.
He just got an eight point convention bump from the worst convention in history. Can Clinton counter that? I doubt it. We're going into the home stretch with Donald in the lead and progressives continue to pound out the message that Clinton is awful.

Your grudging vote for Clinton will do no good when you've convinced dozens to vote against her with constant anti Clinton rhetoric. You're going to see the system you despise finally change. But not the way you want it to.


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Originally Posted by Greger
We're going into the home stretch with Donald in the lead...
Hardly a 'home stretch.' crazy It's only the 3rd week of July - not the 3rd week of October. smile

Donald Trump will not be President. Chillax, bro. Hmm


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Have you been sleeping? He has higher negatives than Clinton.
His negatives are decreasing. Clinton's are rising.
His poll numbers are rising. Independents are swinging to him and away from Clinton.
He just got an eight point convention bump from the worst convention in history. Can Clinton counter that? I doubt it. We're going into the home stretch with Donald in the lead and progressives continue to pound out the message that Clinton is awful.

Your grudging vote for Clinton will do no good when you've convinced dozens to vote against her with constant anti Clinton rhetoric. You're going to see the system you despise finally change. But not the way you want it to.

LOL I see - it's my fault if she loses. You must be nuts!
G-man wake the f&ck up. She's doing it to herself.
Oh, and BTW, the only place I speak my mind about her is here, so I doubt my opinions will convince anyone not to vote for her.
But you seem to think I should make believe she isn't who she is. There is nothing anyone can do about that but the lady herself. Convention bumps are the norm. Wait till after the Democratic convention and we'll see. Her lead is shrinking because there has been a series of bad events - they'll blow over. They always do. But after listening to Kaine speak at the rally you have to wonder what she was thinking.
Her advantage remains inasmuch as Trump is Trump and that will become ever more obvious with time.
But don't blame me. She's the one who has to convince the population that she is the right person for the job.
With all the bad shyte that has come out about Trump she should be doing better. That's got nothing to do with people who are voting for her, yet criticizing her. It's how they're running the campaign.
FYI - her unfavorable rating is growing but stil less than Trump,
Clinton = 55.3%
Trump = 56.6%
The trend is better for Trump (he is decreasing and she is increasing).

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Originally Posted by Ezekiel
LOL I see - it's my fault if she loses.
Don't flatter yourself Zeke, Greger wrote that it was my fault. blush

Obviously Greger is freaking-out and needs some Xanax® - is there a doctor in the house? coffee


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Clinton = 55.3%
Trump = 56.6%

Less than the margin of error and I expect Clinton will soon overtake him.
No I don't blame you personally, Zeke, although just because you only attack Clinton here doesn't mean much, this isn't a private space, I see at the moment we have 53 guests all nodding their heads in agreement with you that Clinton does not deserve their vote or trust.
Better to sit it out and let the Democratic fools elect her without their help.
No it's not just you, there is a nationwide movement against Clinton and it's working out perfectly for Republicans. They will toe the party line and vote for their candidate whether they like him or not. Democrats not so much.


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No I'm not freaking out, Rick, I'm just sitting on my porch and watching which way the political wind is blowing right now. And it is the home stretch. Only three months to go and I see excitement on the Republican side and apathy on the left. Voters are mostly decided, independents are swinging to the right, Trump is in the lead. Johnson is statistically tied with Clinton and Trump in Utah, Stein is up from 2% to 10%.
The anti Clinton movement is winning on both sides of the aisle.


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Originally Posted by Greger
And it is the home stretch
No. It's only the convention season. We have a long way to go. smile


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Originally Posted by Greger
Clinton = 55.3%
Trump = 56.6%

Less than the margin of error and I expect Clinton will soon overtake him.
No I don't blame you personally, Zeke, although just because you only attack Clinton here doesn't mean much, this isn't a private space, I see at the moment we have 53 guests all nodding their heads in agreement with you that Clinton does not deserve their vote or trust.
Better to sit it out and let the Democratic fools elect her without their help.
No it's not just you, there is a nationwide movement against Clinton and it's working out perfectly for Republicans. They will toe the party line and vote for their candidate whether they like him or not. Democrats not so much.

Her numbers need to get better and they probably will. Like I said: Trump is Trump and there is plenty to capitalize on that.
I think you're getting ahead of yourself, G-man. Wait until:
1) After the convention;
2) After the 1st debate;
3) After the media begins to pour out the rot in his past.
But, as I said, she has to help. And that means being more aggressive with respect to her ideas.
Trump has nothing, nada, zilch. No program. He has populist rhetoric.
She needs to address the same issues but with pragmatism and concrete plans on how to accomplish these ideas. That will go far with independents.
As far as her image goes, she needs to be humanized. But for that she has to let people humanize her. This is something that I'm sure she's heard before, but if she doesn't want to go down in flames she'd better get with the program; it is likely more important than any other aspect of her campaign.


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Hillary Clinton is who she is and she is quite human. Both sides of the aisle have gone to great lengths to de-humanize her and have succeeded.
1) after the convention.
We'll know about that in a week. Just for the record I'm going to predict a 6 point bump. Trump got 8. The Never Trump movement was shut down on day one. Cruz effectively ended his career. It was the most lackluster convention EVER.
The DNC email leaks are going to hover over the Democratic Convention like some foul effluvium that just wont go away. It tarnishes Hillary even further and tells many that she shouldn't be the one accepting the nomination. SANDERS SANDERS SANDERS!

2)After the first debate.
She'll win, of course. But it will make no difference. She represents the status quo. Trump will make America Great Again.
Because of the Never Hillary movement, everything she says will be a lie. Remember, she can't be trusted. He tells it like it is.

3)After the media begins to pour out the rot in his past.
Please! That's been going on since day one of his candidacy and it hasn't worked. If anything it makes him more popular.




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Apparently a large faction of the electorate doesn't agree with you. Image is the main driver behind her unfavorable ratings. No me saying that. It is all over the media.

You are reading way too much into the numbers. Historically, at 109 days to election, the polls are off, on average, by 7.5%. NY Times, not me grin

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As far as the dirt on him: it hasn't even started yet. Suffice it to say that it wasn't only the DNC that was hacked.

She will win. That is a good bet. What will happen after that?


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