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We normal rational people then think they must be insane, but their base thinks they did great!

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The mental gymnastics that Rethuglicons do to contort and to assuage their own ignorance and stupidity in lieu of being honest about reality is something else:

Mm-hmmm. Those broadcasting degrees have to teach something. Apparently that thing is the pivot, which even Sarah Palin was able to master.

Here's what you do. You don't return the opponent's serve, like in tennis; you throw a bowling ball down the lane next to your opponent. You talk about the topic, in a parallel universe. Question be damned.
idea So all a conservative has to do is answer a non-sequitur and be satisfied that they "owned" their opponent. smile

It's called obfuscation and/or dissimulation. It happens in both parties. It's a tactic common to those who do not have the strength of their arguments to fall back on.
The Republithugs are just VERY bad at it.


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It's called obfuscation and/or dissimulation. It happens in both parties. It's a tactic common to those who do not have the strength of their arguments to fall back on.
The Republithugs are just VERY bad at it.

Yeah, Kind of like during the debates when Trump was trying to establish his international affairs bona fides, and he said of Putin, "I got to know him very well because we were both on '60 Minutes,' we were stablemates, and we did very well that night."

We were all supposed to think that they had a real soul-baring conversation. When pressed about it later, he pointed out that he did not SAY that they had met. No, he just implied it until cornered.

He walked it back pretty hard in a recent interview, saying, "... I have nothing to do with Russia, nothing to do, I never met Putin, I have nothing to do with Russia whatsoever."

And Zeke is right, Trump isn't even good at it. But his fanatics don't care WHAT he says, he remains their savior, just because.


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A well reasoned argument is like a diamond: impervious to corruption and crystal clear - and infinitely rarer.

Here, as elsewhere, people are outraged at what feels like a rigged game -- an economy that won't respond, a democracy that won't listen, and a financial sector that holds all the cards. - Robert Reich
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It is hard, when you care about the outcome, to not watch polls. As a political scientist, moreover, they are like snacks to me. But my brain and my heart are not in alignment. That causes some dissonance.

I expect that, as happens nearly every election, the candidates will be very close at convention time, and so it is. I recognize that even in a good polling year (and this isn't one) most headlines focus on "noise" - trumpeting variations in results with words like "surge", "eclipse", "fading" - when such variations are better explained by the margin of error. A 3-5% difference is, truly, meaningless.

My nerves, however, jangle when the "race" is "close". A Democratic/progressive tide is so important and a Trump victory, even a close one, would be so devastating. Trump represents everything I detest in politics, and in cultural terms. I don't want him defeated, I want him to be obliterated in historic terms. I want decency and community to prevail. I want him and his ilk to be humiliated and relegated to the dustbin from whence they sprang.

My heart feels we are on the precipice, about to take a leap to a new level of inclusiveness, rationality and tolerance - with immigration reform, tax fairness, and economic equality - but my head recognizes the obstacles in the way - the GOP, entropy, lobbyists, and inertia. It's maddening.


A well reasoned argument is like a diamond: impervious to corruption and crystal clear - and infinitely rarer.

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Trump Snaps at Female Journalist: ‘Be Quiet,’ ‘I Know You Want to Save’ Hillary





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...Trump represents everything I detest in politics...
Trump represents everything that I detest in humans. Hmm


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Originally Posted by Spag-hetti
But his fanatics don't care WHAT he says, he remains their savior, just because.
Yeah...no kidding.

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Trump urges Russia to hack Clinton’s emails

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“Russia, if you’re listening, I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing. I think you will probably be rewarded mightily by our press,” Trump said during a news conference at his South Florida resort on Wednesday.

“They probably have them. I’d like to have them released. . . . It gives me no pause. If they have them, they have them,” Trump added later when asked if his comments were inappropriate. “If Russia or China or any other country has those emails, I mean, to be honest with you, I’d love to see them.”

This is the stuff that passes for rhetoric in today's GOP. Really, all the Dems have to do is let him keep shooting his mouth off. And let the GOP, always scrambling, backpedal on the shyte that comes out of his mouth.

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Originally Posted by Ezekiel
Trump urges Russia to hack Clinton’s emails

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“Russia, if you’re listening, I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing. I think you will probably be rewarded mightily by our press,” Trump said during a news conference at his South Florida resort on Wednesday.

“They probably have them. I’d like to have them released. . . . It gives me no pause. If they have them, they have them,” Trump added later when asked if his comments were inappropriate. “If Russia or China or any other country has those emails, I mean, to be honest with you, I’d love to see them.”

This is the stuff that passes for rhetoric in today's GOP. Really, all the Dems have to do is let him keep shooting his mouth off. And let the GOP, always scrambling, backpedal on the shyte that comes out of his mouth.

WaPo

Does this border on treason?
It certainly crosses the line when it comes to rooting for a hostile takeover by a potential enemy.
What's next, inviting ISIS to snoop around?


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