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Maybe they meet at the front of the horseshoe...?
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Perhaps it is not a theory "in the scientific sense" but rather, a paradigm.
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Oh for.@&$#%... sake, Zeke, you can't be serious. As is pointed out, the "horseshoe" is a paradigm/observation, not some ultra-specific scientific "theorem." It has long been pointed out in social science circles that the left-right continuum inadequately explains the variations in political thought. Various descriptions have been used, using graphs of various sorts, x-y, Venn, etc., to plot the various positions different groups occupy. As was noted earlier, the horseshoe was used as a descriptor because a circle implies connection, whereas the horseshoe describes similarities but not overlap. It is derived from observation that when placing viewpoints on an x-y array the dots tend to describe a horseshoe shape. Beyond that, this discussion does indeed resemble horseshyte intended to obfuscate not illuminate, and is very far from the subject of the thread.
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This "horseshoe theory" is new to me. But my immediate takeaway is that the horseshoe is not a circle, hence the far right and far left, though they share some similarities, ostensibly bomb throwing, they will never actually meet. The lines of the horseshoe referenced in the theory are not parallel so in theory they would meet on a linear plane (one of the underlying assumptions). If they lines are supposed to be parallel - a feature of which one finds no mention - then the theory is further misstated. More sloppy, shoddy work.
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Maybe they meet at the front of the horseshoe...?
I have a friend who was a professional farrier, I'll ask him and report back. Please do, Loggy, so that we can stop this nonsense 
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Oh for.@&$#%... sake, Zeke, you can't be serious. As is pointed out, the "horseshoe" is a paradigm/observation, not some ultra-specific scientific "theorem." It has long been pointed out in social science circles that the left-right continuum inadequately explains the variations in political thought. Various descriptions have been used, using graphs of various sorts, x-y, Venn, etc., to plot the various positions different groups occupy. As was noted earlier, the horseshoe was used as a descriptor because a circle implies connection, whereas the horseshoe describes similarities but not overlap. It is derived from observation that when placing viewpoints on an x-y array the dots tend to describe a horseshoe shape. Beyond that, this discussion does indeed resemble horseshyte intended to obfuscate not illuminate, and is very far from the subject of the thread. Junk science is junk science. One can jump up and down and pout and scream, but it doesn't change the fact that this so-called "horseshoe" (horseshyte) theory explains nothing.  Its basis is flawed and there is ample proof of that. If anything, it "obfuscates" reality and builds a comfy little hiding place for its "believers". Conflating diametrically opposed ideologies is pure and utter nonsense. It disregards logic and reason. As for this discussion, I have tried to return to the topic but, as Michael Coreleone said, "Every time I try to leave they pull me back in" 
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Perhaps it is not a theory "in the scientific sense" but rather, a paradigm. Paradigm: a philosophical and theoretical framework of a scientific school or discipline within which theories, laws, and generalizations and the experiments performed in support of them are formulated; broadly : a philosophical or theoretical framework of any kind It certainly is not a scientific theory. Paradigms can be true or false, in this case, false is the appropriate classification.
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When far left "liberalism" exerts fascist characteristics: Stein’s VP Pick Called Support For Charlie Hebdo Victims ‘White Supremacy’ I am liberal, but I'm not an extremist. Stein's VP really IS the kind of "bomb throwing leftist radical" that Republicans claim Obama was. Now, when the whole world gets to see and hear Ajamu Baraka speak his mind, Republicans should be ashamed and should immediately apologize to Sanders, Hillary and ESPECIALLY Barack Obama for character assasination they've engaged in for all these years. Maybe conservatives NEED a reminder of what a bomb throwing leftist radical really sounds like to remind them that Sanders, Clinton and Obama represent reasoned moderate views. Bomb throwing? Hyperbole much?
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Read the letter by former GOP national security officials opposing Trump The undersigned individuals have all served in senior national security and/or foreign policy positions in Republican Administrations, from Richard Nixon to George W. Bush. We have worked directly on national security issues with these Republican Presidents and/or their principal advisers during wartime and other periods of crisis, through successes and failures. We know the personal qualities required of a President of the United States.
None of us will vote for Donald Trump.
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"The basic tool for the manipulation of reality is the manipulation of words. If you can control the meaning of words, you can control the people who must use the words."
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