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I mentioned this earlier, but it seems to be a significant insight into the Rightie mind, and is worth some serious discussion...
Even though Clinton said half of Trump's supporters were deplorables, virtually ALL of them assume that she was talking about them.
Does that mean they know they are bigots and think that it's okay?
Or are they simply incapable of hearing a fact and understanding its meaning?
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A pundit who would remain anonymous did a back of the envelope computation: ![[Linked Image from s9.postimg.org]](https://s9.postimg.org/8b003fcvz/Depl1.png) So, to NW_P's point: it may very well be too low.
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I've complained about this before, but now WaPo has provided a really good graphic and story to demonstrate just how rank the Trump Foundation actually is: How Donald Trump retooled his charity to spend other people’s money In 2009 and 2010, [the Charles Evans Foundation] gave a total of $150,000 to the Donald J. Trump Foundation, a small charity that the Republican presidential nominee founded in 1987.
Then, Trump’s foundation turned around and made donations to the police group in South Florida. In those years, the Trump Foundation’s gifts totaled $150,000.
Trump had effectively turned the Evans Foundation’s gifts into his own gifts, without adding any money of his own.
On the night that he won the Palm Tree Award for his philanthropy, Trump may have actually made money. The gala was held at his Mar-a-Lago Club in Palm Beach, and the police foundation paid to rent the room. It’s unclear how much was paid in 2010, but the police foundation reported in its tax filings that it rented Mar-a-Lago in 2014 for $276,463. And you wonder why he doesn't release his tax returns? Maybe I should have included this in the "Trump's Criminal Adventure" thread: Trump’s foundation appears to have repeatedly broken IRS rules, which require nonprofit groups to file accurate paperwork. In five cases, the Trump Foundation told the IRS that it had given a gift to a charity whose leaders told The Post that they had never received it. In two other cases, companies listed as donors to the Trump Foundation told The Post that those listings were incorrect.
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I mentioned this earlier, but it seems to be a significant insight into the Rightie mind, and is worth some serious discussion...
Even though Clinton said half of Trump's supporters were deplorables, virtually ALL of them assume that she was talking about them.
Does that mean they know they are bigots and think that it's okay?
Or are they simply incapable of hearing a fact and understanding its meaning? Probably both. Remember, we aren't dealing with any Mensa folks here. They've been brainwashed to the point of no return. If the words do not fit in the very narrowly circumscribed world of fantasy that they believe in, then the words will make no sense at all.
"The liberals can understand everything but people who don't understand them."
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More on Trump's "Foundation": The Trump Foundation still gives out small, scattered gifts — which seem driven by the demands of Trump’s businesses and social life, rather than by a desire to support charitable causes.
The foundation makes a few dozen donations a year, usually in amounts from $1,000 to $50,000. It gives to charities that rent Trump’s ballrooms. It gives to charities whose leaders buttonholed Trump on the golf course (and then try, in vain, to get him to offer a repeat donation the next year).
It even gives in situations in which Trump publicly put himself on the hook for a donation — as when he promised a gift “out of my wallet” on NBC’s “The Celebrity Apprentice.” The Trump Foundation paid off most of those on-air promises. A TV production company paid others. The Post could find no instance in which a celebrity’s charity got a gift from Trump’s own wallet.
A well reasoned argument is like a diamond: impervious to corruption and crystal clear - and infinitely rarer.
Here, as elsewhere, people are outraged at what feels like a rigged game -- an economy that won't respond, a democracy that won't listen, and a financial sector that holds all the cards. - Robert Reich
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In fact, according to Lindsey Graham, 35% of the GOP is racist. Lindsey Graham
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In fact, according to Lindsey Graham, 35% of the GOP is racist. The only fact here is that this is Graham's opinion. I would submit my own opinion that about 35% are racists in regard to black people. There is another percentage who despise Hispanics, and another which abhors Middle Easterners. Some don't like Jews and a few question even those of European origin who were not born in the US. There are a few who are ambiguous concerning skin tone but believe that women are inferior to men and a large segment opposed to equal rights for the gay/transgender community. Many hold "racist" beliefs concerning any one who adheres to any religion besides Christianity. Hard numbers are simply not available, since none of them besides the hardcore white supremacists will admit to their bigotry, but if they were, an interesting set of Venn diagrams might be created with the alt right at its center and which would show the overlaps. A certain number of them simply hate government, despise taxation of any sort, other than that collected to wage war against the various groups, nations, religions, and ideologies they hate. This group generally loves government handouts as long as it doesn't go to anyone but white Christians. All in all I believe that Madame Clinton's assessment that fully half of them belong in the "deplorable" basket is somewhat low.
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Hence the phrase "according to Lindsey Graham"...  IMHO, a guess would be closer to 90% of racism or nativism in one form or another. It is practically part of their platform. Maybe not openly but certainly in the general behavior of the members of congress.
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Once, weapons were manufactured to fight wars; today, wars are manufactured to sell weapons
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Of course, they may not enjoy their racism, etc. like the White Supremacists. They may simply believe Blacks are lazy, men are superior to women, all Muslims are terrorists, and so forth. Might even consider it unfortunate.
So some fraction of those "deplorables" just think of themselves as realists, and anyone not like them naive.
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