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Ezekiel #292667 09/16/16 08:33 PM
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Nice idea, but Snopes says it is a fake.

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Nate Silver sez...
Election Update: Democrats Should Panic … If The Polls Still Look Like This In A Week

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Hillary Clinton’s lead in the polls has been declining for several weeks, and now we’re at the point where it’s not much of a lead at all. National polls show Clinton only 1 or 2 percentage points ahead of Donald Trump, on average. And the state polling situation isn’t really any better for her. On Thursday alone, polls were released showing Clinton behind in Ohio, Iowa and Colorado — and with narrow, 3-point leads in Michigan and Virginia, two states once thought to be relatively safe for her.
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I'm tellin' ya, we're looking at Bush vs. Gore all over again.


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Every day the corporate run media follow the same pattern. And the result is always this:

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Just seconds after Donald Trump appeared at his new hotel in Washington on Friday, it dawned on many of the reporters in the room and others watching the live coverage on every cable news channel that they had been conned.

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Driven in part by interest in the 2016 presidential campaign, viewership increased for cable news channels in 2015.

In prime time – the premier time slot for advertisers – combined average viewership rose for the three major news channels (CNN, Fox News and MSNBC) by 8% to 3.1 million, according to Pew Research Center analysis of Nielsen Media Research data. The cable viewership increase was largely due to CNN, which experienced an especially sharp uptick, growing its evening viewership 38% to an average of 712,000 viewers. Cable-hosted presidential candidate debates helped drive some of the surge in viewership. Fox remained the evening viewership leader with 1.8 million (up 3% over 2014 levels). MSNBC was down 1% to 579,000.

Daytime viewership grew as well for these three 24-hour news channels in 2015. Between the hours of 6 a.m. and 6 p.m., average viewership for the three channels combined increased 9% to 2 million


Apparently, the audience for cable news is not quite as significant as one would think.

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I try so hard to be dispassionate about this, but it's too important. How do we deal with someone so unqualified as Trump being a major party nominee?


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Originally Posted by NW Ponderer
I try so hard to be dispassionate about this, but it's too important. How do we deal with someone so unqualified as Trump being a major party nominee?
I used to think that the U.S. was exceptional, in that our society and government was immune to coming apart at the seams. It is truly shocking to see it happening with such a very large portion of our populace so easily becoming delusional and destructive, following the insane "leadership" of a con man who I don't think actually has a single policy position on anything, except whatever works in selling himself to the suckers.

It feels like a gravitational pull into chaos.


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It seems the only thing we, as a country, are immune to is the stench of our own shyte. Let's face it: our society CREATED Donald Trump. It made him rich. It elevated him to celebrity status. It plasters his stupidity disguised as discourse all over the world. What the f$ck did we think would come of it?
The monster said it quite appropriately to Dr. Frankenstein :
I'm alive


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A moment of clarity - to many of us, Trump is so obviously an unprincipled con artist that we can't even consider him seriously, and it is stupidly easy to list his failings.

But to Trump supporters, they do not recognize a con artist, even one so blatant as il Douche. His pitches unfetter their normally socially unacceptable desires and gives them justification to be angry and irrational.

Rational thought and unfettered desire are contrary and cannot exist in the same space. Logic, facts and reason will not work to change the minds of Trump supporters.

On the other hand, Clinton cannot use Trump's tactics against him because her supporters are those who are not so easily taken in by a con and do not want to be subjected to one. And trump supporters won't be turned against him because he sets them free.

I think that Clinton needs to understand this and not try out ploys like "deplorable", even though it is obviously true.


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Zeke....

Who's hair is gonna be on fire if Trump wins this thing?

It's easy to dismiss him and say there's no way he could win. But it's just not true. It should be, but it's not.

I doubt if a presidential candidate has ever received as much bad press as Trump. Has it hurt him? No, quite the contrary, he has owned it and made it work for him rather than against him. Never has the old adage about all press being good press been quite so relevant. But the same hasn't held true for Clinton. The slightest foible, the most outrageous claims, the biggest lies, all work against her.
Trump is beating her just like he beat all his opponents in the primaries. He has effectively painted her as being exactly what he is...crooked, corrupt, a pathological liar. He has shown her to be unqualified, pointed out her lack of accomplishments, questioned the Clinton Foundation, outlined her weakness, belittled her policies, and, in general, made her look foolish.
At the same time he has managed to paint himself as being more like Clinton than Clinton herself.
We can see through the ruse, most can't or won't.


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LOL it won't be mine - I may be corresponding from jail after being convicted for sedition. Or maybe just the firing squad? Either way they will need to shut me up. smile
Everything you said is correct, G-man, but the fact that he can win (possible) doesn't mean he will or even that the chance of winning is very high. I don't think he has much of a chance.
If we created the monster we have to know how to stop him. I believe Obama knows how to do that, and Clinton, if she's wise, will pay very close attention .


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