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... I'm amazed and saddened that so many otherwise intelligent people support Trump. Golem, what's your 30,000' view of what causes people support Trump? I don't mean the 'not Clinton' crowd, I understand that, though Trump is still a stretch there. I'm more interested in the motivation of the folks who really think he'd be a great president.
You never change things by fighting the existing reality.
To change something, build a new model that makes the old model obsolete.
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I could understand somebody thinking we should elect a great businessman to be President, assuming that businessman oversaw a large company with many employees and complex operations. But Trump is NOT a great businessman. He's a cartoon of a businessman: A conman who screws over everybody who goes into business with him, and a (formerly) rich boy who has spent most his inheritance on frivolous projects that stroke his ego.
If you want a businessman, there must be hundreds of corporate CEOs who would be a better choice.
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If you want a businessman, there must be hundreds of corporate CEOs who would be a better choice. Like Carly Fiorina?  (  )
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Clark County, Nevada early voting: All the Republican pols are upset that so many Hispanics are voting. They were SURE that Hispanics don't vote!
That's why demonizing them wouldn't matter...
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"The basic tool for the manipulation of reality is the manipulation of words. If you can control the meaning of words, you can control the people who must use the words."
(Philip K.Dick)
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It's the Despair Quotient! Carpal Tunnel
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I suspect the Trump cabal within the New York FBI is much smaller than it is purported to be. I would not be surprised if it is just one or two agents. After all, this interference in an election is a crime of the sort the FBI investigates. I think every agent is aware of that fact, and very few are willing to go to loose their career, loose their pension, and go to jail to support Trump. Who is pretty to loose anyway.
It is kind of like thinking how many FBI and CIA agents are secretly employed by Russia. I'm sure there are a few, but really only a handful. Bull-pocky. This is not a "Giuliani-Trump Cabal". It's a system wide infection. You'd like to think that only a handful of FBI agents are rogue saboteurs because the alternative scares the crap out of you, and it should. That's like expressing the thought that "only a handful" of rural Southern white cops are Klan members. Come on, PIA...you are too frikeen smart to go all Rebecca of Sunnybrook Farm on this one. This was not a ripple on the surface, this was a foreshock to an earthquake. What you describe as a single line of smoke in the hazy distance is actually a very widespread series of dumpster fires and a swelling of underground magma ten miles below the surface. The Federal Bureau of Investigation committed suicide this week. All pretense of integrity, impartiality, objectivity and morality disappeared in the last 72 hours. It is now an agency which foments sedition and aids and abets domestic terrorism.
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Bull-pocky.
This is not a "Giuliani-Trump Cabal".
It's a system wide infection.
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The Federal Bureau of Investigation committed suicide this week.
All pretense of integrity, impartiality, objectivity and morality disappeared in the last 72 hours.
It is now an agency which foments sedition and aids and abets domestic terrorism. Indeed. And it is not restricted to the FBI. So, you are quite right, it should scare the crap out of all of us. It has scared the crap out of many many people for many many years. COINTEL PRO being an example that always springs to mind. The FBI's "actions" during the McCarthy period being another shining example. Police that operate from the shadows are always a menace. Their accountability is limited, if it exists at all. Their tactics are based on deception and lies. So, when they become the enforcement arm of an ideology, it is time to really be scared.
"The liberals can understand everything but people who don't understand them."
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It's the Despair Quotient! Carpal Tunnel
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This will always be remembered as the election in which the KKK, the KGB and the FBI all supported the same candidate.
That in and of itself should be enough to spark a ferocious backlash the echoes of which should be felt for the next three decades.
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The KGB became the FSB after the Communists fell. What will the FBI become in the Trump-Putin post-democratic America?
A well reasoned argument is like a diamond: impervious to corruption and crystal clear - and infinitely rarer.
Here, as elsewhere, people are outraged at what feels like a rigged game -- an economy that won't respond, a democracy that won't listen, and a financial sector that holds all the cards. - Robert Reich
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What will the FBI become in the Trump-Putin post-democratic America? The KSC.
You never change things by fighting the existing reality.
To change something, build a new model that makes the old model obsolete.
R. Buckminster Fuller
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