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Originally Posted by pondering_it_all
Almost every peace corps volunteer in the tropics was on it for all their time in-country. I bet a lot of soldiers in Vietnam were, too. I suspect some of the "bad side effect" reports now may be Covid-19 symptoms, not adverse drug reactions.

You can actually just walk into a drug store in India and buy it over the counter. And I bet lots of people do to fight malaria.

No no, the vets were speaking about adverse reactions during their service in Nam, back in the day.
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Yes, there are side effects. I read about ringing in the ears, nausea, and diarrhea. People who take it long term have to have their retinas checked every so often and report any eye problems immediately. But rheumatologists have been proscribing it for patients for years. And that's years for each patient, not short-term for a bunch patients. The typical Covid-19 treatment is for 5 days!

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Singapore did a massively stupid thing: They had a very tight lockdown, everybody wears masks, etc. So they had a few hundred cases. But they just completely forgot about their foreign workers! I guess they were invisible, so nobody thought about them. They all live in very crowded dorms, take jammed buses and trucks to get to work, etc.

Now they have 11,000 cases.

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“This reflects the deliberate invisibilization of the foreign worker; the whole machinery of state operates as though they don’t exist,” Alex Au, vice president of TWC2, told the Washington Post.

Singapore’s outbreak serves as a cautionary tale for neglecting marginalized communities during a pandemic. It’s hard not to see parallels between Singapore’s migrant workers and the U.S.’s underclass of essential workers who labor without the necessary safety protections, or our undocumented farmworkers who are somehow considered both “essential” and “illegal” (and are even being detained on the job).

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Originally Posted by pondering_it_all
Singapore did a massively stupid thing: They had a very tight lockdown, everybody wears masks, etc. So they had a few hundred cases. But they just completely forgot about their foreign workers! I guess they were invisible, so nobody thought about them.

Now swap "foreign workers in Singapore" with "Democrats and other libtards in Murrica" and you have the Trumpian Wet Dream.
We are not his voters, so it is safe to assume he'd just as soon we all die, the sooner the better.
As to views on Trumpers doing themselves in, they are doing it TO themselves with absolutely no intervention from the Left.


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I just went to the store where the poorest of the poor go shopping, and had to borrow a quarter from one of them to unchain my cart.


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They do that at all the Aldi stores. But if you go ask the cashier, they will give you a quarter. I guess it's a test of character if you go give her the quarter when you chain the cart back up.

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The dosage for chloroquine for other uses is much, much lower than "suggested" for COVID. It's kinda like the difference between taking a week to drink two bottles of wine or chugging them both in one sitting. Seriously different effects.

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I went to Ace Hardware this morning, hadn't been in while. But I needed some Japan drier for the linseed oil we'll be putting on the cabin logs tomorrow. The place was the most crowded I've seen in a long time, I suppose folks are doing a lot more projects around the home.

While we don't have a face mask order here, it is a strong recommendation - the idea being that the cloth masks are good for you not spreading the virus if you have it (which nobody actually knows until becoming symptomatic), but unless it is an N95 it doesn't offer much personal protection. This was my first foray into a crowded public place and was the first time I wore my cloth mask (I have a couple of N95's because some of the work I do is in hazardous breathing environments). I felt a little awkward at first and quickly noticed that only about 25% of the Ace shoppers had masks on. I reminded myself that wearing one is out of consideration for others, and for slowing down the spread of infection, so I kept it on.

I live in a pretty "western" town where there is a large representation of cowboy types, miners, and redneck leaning cultural groups, though the county is heavily Democratic politically. We all generally costume up to some degree according to our cultural affinity, so stereotyping folks according to appearance is probably 75-80% accurate. I would say that 80% of the people who were not wearing masks (many with their kids in tow) were of the redneck culture.

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The dosage is a lot lower for malaria prophylaxis. But for RA and Lupus treatment it's actually about the same as doctors are using for covid-19, and they have been prescribing this for years:

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COVID-19: 400 mg (=310 mg base) q12h for 2 doses, followed by 200 mg (=155 base) q12h for 5 days has been suggested by in vitro study (PBPK model) OR 200 mg q8h has been used in one small study without a loading dose[1].
Rheumatologic diseases
Lupus erythematosus: 400 mg once or twice daily for several weeks to months, depending on patient response. Maintenance therapy is usually 200-400 mg daily to minimize toxicity.
Rheumatoid arthritis: 400 to 600 mg daily. After 5-10 days increase the dose gradually to the optimum response level. When a good response is obtained, the dosage should be reduced to 200 to 400 mg daily.

from Jonhs Hopkins ABX Guide

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Essentially, those mask-less hardware store patrons are trying to kill you. I would tell the owners they need a "masks required" sign on the door. That's like patrons spitting their tobacco juice on the floor, or just pissing anyplace that strikes their fancy.

They will find out why they needed masks soon. Major outbreaks are happening right now in Mid-West and rural towns that are not quarantining well (or at all). Just stay away from them. Maybe you can go to that store at a different time or day of the week.

Or wear one of your N95 masks to go to that store and then shower off afterwards and put your mask someplace safe for 24 hours to let the virus on it die.

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