Capitol Hill Blue Forums Political Issues Politics In General Is it too soon to be talking 2020?

Reality distortion turned to 10.

It’s like the “they pretend to pay us and we pretend to work” sorta denialism you got going there Rick.

If you put both men’s degeneracy on the scales, I think they’d be pretty even. Some like their bigotry, cruelty and criminality more overt, I’d prefer it out in the open. Makes more tactical sense to me. Keeps everyone on their toes.

The problem with open primaries is that one party can tell their supporters to vote in the primary for their preferred candidate in the other primary. Probably not a good thing.

Even in states with closed primaries, we have seen this "opponent selection" already: Republicans have never much attacked Sanders because they felt it would be a slam-dunk to defeat him.

Mr Trump sent out the memo to SC justices .... votes will only be counted if received on Nov 3 ... all others will be discarded.

They're may be right.

"Socialism and Atheism Still U.S. Political Liabilities"

https://news.gallup.com/poll/285563/socialism-atheism-political-liabilities.aspx

I'm sure you would have seen a ton of TV ads where Sanders himself was describing himself as a Democratic Socialist. Perhaps even a split screen of Sanders and Stalin or something akin to that.

Would it have worked, most likely. Especially among independents who quite a lot still equate socialism with communism. At least the older ones and it's the older ones who vote.

The Democrats would accept him, vote for him. Republican wouldn't. But that's true of any candidate they put up. The problem comes from independents who usually decide national elections. Only 45% of them would even consider voting for a socialist. Which means 55% would be voting against him at a minimum.

One thing for sure, if Sanders had won the nomination, the general election campaign would be a very nasty one. Even nastier than any we have ever seen.

But not for much longer! Younger voters are becoming less religious and more socialist all the time.

It is well understood by all the Trump supporters I know (and I live in a virtual ocean of them), Democrats ARE socialist, communist pigs. So you do not have to imagine a campaign. It is alive and well just outside Houston TX.

I wouldn’t disagree that older, more affluent generations are still reactionary to ‘socialism’, a concept only understood thru state propaganda. Irony somewhere there. Seems to be disappearing with younger audiences, as Gregor pointed out.
I think Americans are some of the most dominated, indoctrinated people on earth when it comes to our ‘kingdom of fear’ form of government.
Gore Vidal made a good case against Truman for being the architect of the fear kingdom immediately after WW2 by scaring the hell out of everybody to keep the army well fed and nourished with large military spending and a constant state of readiness. Breaking with the tradition of de-mobilization and scaling back to a peacetime core organization. A jobs program at best, nascent militarism at worst. Dunno, some argue it started with the civil war during the rise of industrial capitalism itself and worrying Lincoln with the consequences of a rise of the industrial military. Either way, here we are today, replacing one apparition with another two support the military contractor industry. No beating swords into plow shares for us. Not unless we make the world exactly as us. Only then can we be safe goes the pitch.
Wallace and The Roosevelt clan fought Truman but in the end, the profit motive won out.
Since then we have, as a country, only internalized more and more of the fascist ideology as the american way. Killing millions of brown complected people and doing political purges against any left leaning politics, both home and abroad, by both american right wing factions.
As far as I know, the security apparatus kills only leftists while actively recruiting fascists. Only purges leftist from academics, etc..
Hearing older generations fears of ‘what the fascists will think’ about having any left leaning politics, that exists thru out the rest of the worlds political parties quit peaceably, is a triumph of the military and security state and our two right wing political parties.

I overheard a Trump supporter say VP Biden if he won would end the oil industry and thus effective wipe Texas off the map. Then he said Biden would raise his taxes. I had to wonder if someone who worked in a meat locker made over 400K per year ... may have to start looking for a job.

Ooooof!

Record cases of covid 19, market tanking. Forest fires and country club incompetence not even trying to look capable. The newly minted Republicratic party couldn't ask for a better scenario going into the home stretch. I'm gunna lose some money on this horse race. Gunna take a miracle.

I don't think I have seen anyone consider this .... what damage could Mr Trump do to the country if he loses between election lose and inauguration???? of course that does not include him not leaving the WH.