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Sorry I think I pulled this off a little bit.

Hmmm. In terms of what Julia? I guess I assumed it was in a case where someone is forced to carry the child full term. I guess if she wants to give it up for adoption, the paternity doesn't matter.

And then there's the scenerio where she is actually able to abort it and gets 'caught' and is punished. That very much does mean paternity matters if you can locate.



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Melanie, you know I get stuck on ideas and have trouble dropping them, and I think I’m doing that here.

When I said (more or less) “Is it fair to say paternity is primarily financial,” I wasn’t asking if the concept was fair but rather whether I was understanding what Greger had said.

I wasn’t really thinking in terms of abortion.I was thinking of paternity, itself. Why is it important? Is there any reason whatsoever to need proof of paternity, other than financial?

I can see, maybe, that if a man is proven not to be the father, that might be some legal help in keeping him at a distance if he’s abusive.

Why does society care who a child’s biological father is, except for money.?


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I really do think I’ve gone around in circles on this far too much I’m not even sure anymore what I was getting out never mind


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Originally Posted by Mellowicious
Rick: how can paternity weaponize the abortion issue?
By giving the Y-donor equal say in the matter - even before the fetus becomes new-born, because he contributed to the cellular division.

In Texas, the woman no longer has a say in the matter...she has to give birth.

In other states, why should the rapist Y-donor even have a say in the matter? Courts are trying to be PC and in fairness giving the rapist say as well. For example, if the victim doesn't want the result of her trauma, why should the rapist get to put his two-cents in and say, yes, the result should be fully realized in terms of being born?

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Originally Posted by olyve
...The father should take responsibility for the pregnancy and the baby's care.
...but what if he's a rapist and now in prison. That 0.50/hr prison pay doesn't go far. Hmm


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Originally Posted by Mellowicious
This was alluded to on the other thread: If the father doesn’t want responsibility for the pregnancy or the baby, can he - should he - be pushed into active fatherhood? From the point of view of the welfare of the baby, wouldn’t it be just as good if such a “father” just disappeared?
In many court decisions, the "father" is "pushed" into fatherhood financially - especially when there a relationship break-up. Hmm


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Now...when a man is harmed and forced into paternity...

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Woman uses sperm from oral sex to get pregnant, force child support

In the ultimate case of relationship treachery, a woman collected the sperm she gathered from oral sex on her lover and used it to impregnate herself, then had the courts force the man to pay child support.


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Rick, what on earth does that link point to??

Either you’re joking, or you need to Google “lifetime of sperm.”

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Rick, you can’t be “pushed” into fatherhood 7nless you’re proven to be the cause of the pregnancy.”

And if you’re in prison making fifty cents an hour, a judge may do something with any existing assets, but I don’t think s/he would bother with paperwork to garnish your wages.

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Originally Posted by Mellowicious
Rick, what on earth does that link point to??
A website called Rollingout. com Hmm

Mebbe, you might prefer CBS.com. smile The above link discusses events after the 2005 CBS link as the case went to Appeals. The original above link discusses the Appeal ruling in 2014.

This case begun in 2002.


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