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I've been perseverating over the lack of true patriotism in the United States - the willingness to sacrifice "for the good of the country". The closest, frankly, I see it presently, is in Liz Cheney, although I disagree with almost everything she stands for, politically. But, I have no doubt that she is sacrificing her political future because she sees something very wrong and refuses to unsee it, or to stand for it.
Al Gore's concession speech in 2000 was, in my view, a shining example of swallowing pride and ambition "for the good of the country".
I don't see a lot of that anymore. Of course, it is rare, because the opportunities to be "profiles in courage" don't come up often. John McCain did it when he berated one of his own supporters in defense of Obama's honor and patriotism.
Who are the exemplars you see of people genuinely putting country before personal interests, particularly in politics?
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I've been perseverating over the lack of true patriotism in the United States - the willingness to sacrifice "for the good of the country". The closest, frankly, I see it presently, is in Liz Cheney, although I disagree with almost everything she stands for, politically. But, I have no doubt that she is sacrificing her political future because she sees something very wrong and refuses to unsee it, or to stand for it.
Al Gore's concession speech in 2000 was, in my view, a shining example of swallowing pride and ambition "for the good of the country".
I don't see a lot of that anymore. Of course, it is rare, because the opportunities to be "profiles in courage" don't come up often. John McCain did it when he berated one of his own supporters in defense of Obama's honor and patriotism.
Who are the exemplars you see of people genuinely putting country before personal interests, particularly in politics? Adam Kinzinger for starters.
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Ol' Joe put himself out there to run for POTUS for the "good of the country." Essentially Joe knew he was the only one voters would go for to block a criminal from having a second term. 
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Adam Kinzinger for starters. That's a good starter.
A well reasoned argument is like a diamond: impervious to corruption and crystal clear - and infinitely rarer.
Here, as elsewhere, people are outraged at what feels like a rigged game -- an economy that won't respond, a democracy that won't listen, and a financial sector that holds all the cards. - Robert Reich
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Ol' Joe put himself out there to run for POTUS for the "good of the country." Essentially Joe knew he was the only one voters would go for to block a criminal from having a second term. I like Joe, but running for office, in my view, is rarely something done purely for "the good of the country". There's a lot more ego involved. Giving up an office - or resigning to prove a principle - are much closer, in my opinion, because that involves a real sacrifice - although I do admit that "putting oneself out there" does involve sacrifice and the risk of a bruised ego.
A well reasoned argument is like a diamond: impervious to corruption and crystal clear - and infinitely rarer.
Here, as elsewhere, people are outraged at what feels like a rigged game -- an economy that won't respond, a democracy that won't listen, and a financial sector that holds all the cards. - Robert Reich
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Definition of patriotism : love for or devotion to one's country Although poles apart ideologically, they are both unashamed of their patriotism. https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/patriotismThe above definition is something to think about. One’s political ideology or party affiliation doesn’t make one a patriot. That makes one a partisan. You can have two people on completely opposite sides of an issue, but both are where they are on that issue because they think they’re right and both love and are devoted to their country. Who is and who isn’t patriotic boils down to the eye of the beholder. Again, I’m the weird one here as I don’t classify people as being patriotic or unpatriotic. Especially for political purposes. Each side always thinks they’re the patriotic ones while each thinks the other side is unpatriotic. I go so far as to say patriotism is a word used by both sides for pure political propaganda purposes. And no, I don’t think and never have thought myself as being patriotic. To go along with that, I’ve never thought of anyone else being unpatriotic either.
It's high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first instead of their political party. For way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.
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Ol' Joe put himself out there to run for POTUS for the "good of the country." Essentially Joe knew he was the only one voters would go for to block a criminal from having a second term. I like Joe, but running for office, in my view, is rarely something done purely for "the good of the country". There's a lot more ego involved. Giving up an office - or resigning to prove a principle - are much closer, in my opinion, because that involves a real sacrifice - although I do admit that "putting oneself out there" does involve sacrifice and the risk of a bruised ego. Joe was the only one that could beat Trump in 2020. He knew it and we voters knew it. Joe did his job as far as I am concerned - keeping Trump away from the Oval Office. Many voted for Joe for this reason, not Joe's policies. Joe was never going to be a Bernie or Liz Warren as being a president. Joe is Joe, but more importantly, he helped us dodge a bullet.
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Neither are most modern Republicans who sided with Trump.
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But they think they are. Curious isn't it? I make no bones about it. If I'm devoted to anything it's the tiny duchy of South Lake County.
"Patriotism" reeks of nationalism to me. From either side. And both sides believe they are the true patriots.
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