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Would I welcome a significant primary challenger to Biden right now?
Only if it's obviously someone who has the juice, the electability, overwhelming popularity and a level of confidence and competence that is absolutely undeniable, even to Joe.

It would have to be someone who is so damn good that even Joe might consider volunteering to pass the torch.
But I have little to no worries that Joe can win the election.
I would entertain shuffles in the Veep slot but it's not as if I think Kamala is terrible, she's just been more of a behind the scenes Veep, which plenty of Veeps down through history HAVE been before her.

She is not a Dick Cheney. But gimme someone who is absolutely incredible like I talked about above and....sure okay, let's consider that option. They COULD BE a take charge Veep who reinforces Joe and is prepared in the event Joe DOES have to step aside. But that IS the historic role OF ALL Veeps.
LBJ got the job handed to him under worse circumstances, but let's remember, the government and the party were prepared for that possibility all along.

So it's not as if it's much different. Joe Biden doesn't have a wiped camshaft or a catastrophic connecting rod failure in the offing.

"Oh, Joe's a little old and a little tired, let's go ahead and give it to Trump!"
Are you ****ing kidding me? ????

I say unless RFK Jr., the no labels party or anyone else is well financed to the tune of at least a billion dollars, they won’t have a chance of winning. Since 1960 the candidate which raised and spent the most money won the presidential election with 2 exceptions. 1964 and 2016. 2016 saw Clinton spend 1.2 billion to Trump’s 647 million. In 2020 Biden raised and spent 1.6 billion to Trump’s 1.1 billion. Want to know who’ll win in 2024, follow the money. In third place was poor little Jo Jorgensen at less than 3 million dollars.

https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/graphics/2016-presidential-campaign-fundraising/

https://www.opensecrets.org/2020-presidential-race

The feeling or thinking of this quarter of the electorate is not to give it to Trump. They don’t want Trump, but they don’t want Biden either. It’s to give it to someone other than Trump and other than Biden. They’re searching for that someone else. I’d say as time goes by, most of that quarter of the electorate will come to realize they’re stuck with the realistic choice of between Trump and Biden. That there isn’t any other viable candidate that they so earnestly searching for. It’s early, there’s still a Pacific Ocean worth of water to flow under the election bridge.

But I’d also say I think 2024 will be more akin to 2016 than 2020 with low voter turnout and a high third party vote due to the dislike and unwantedness of both major party candidates. Exactly like 2016 was. The difference, 2016 voter turnout 54%, third party vote 6%. 2020 voter turnout 62%, third party vote 1.7%. I think Biden will win, but with less than 50% of the vote, of those who do vote which will be a lot less than in 2020. .

Here's how most Americans feel about the rematch. - America Stares Down a Trump-Biden Repeat in Disbelief and Denial

https://www.yahoo.com/news/america-stares-down-trump-biden-173316524.html

Wow, those are some conspiracy theories. Michele Obama? Really?!?
I didn't see one peep though about the threat to our democracy.
I believe it will be a rematch. I don't deny it at all. My concern is, the outcome will be won by Trump this time! I know the numbers might not point that way, but I think it will be Trump and the end to our democracy!

Trump will #DieInPrison before he ever steps foot in the WH again.

I hope you're right Rick. I'm just not that confident. And even less confident that Trump will ever spend time in prison.

The numbers state Trump and Biden are basically tied today. What you have if one delves deep into the polls is rounding off, 40% of all Americans supporting Trump, 40% supporting Biden, with 20% looking, searching, wanting someone other than either Trump or Biden. Which puts the bottom line at 60% of all Americans not wanting Biden reelected, 60% not wanting Trump to regain the White House. This is where things stand today. What neither major party realizes is the anti-fever or perhaps disdain this latter 20% have for both major party candidates. Both major parties are acting like this latter 20% don’t exist. Both major parties think this latter 20% will in the end vote for their candidate. I don’t believe that is the case. I think most of that 20% will either vote third party, RFK Jr., No Labels, Green, Libertarian, vote for someone not named Biden or Trump or they’ll stay home and not vote at all. Refusing to choose between Trump and Biden. Their distaste for both is that high. Of course, you’ll have some that will choose. How many, that remains to be seen.

This is the harsh realities of where things stand today in the Biden vs. Trump rematch. This could change tomorrow or next week or next month or never. To put it mildly, most Americans aren’t happy with the choices given them by both major parties. I think everyone needs to be aware of this. What can be done to change this dynamic, I’d say nothing. It’s already written in stone.

It's sad. I've been voting for the last 45 years. I don't recall ever voting FOR someone. I always seem to have to vote for the lessor of two evils. No one has ever thrilled me enough to actually vote FOR them.

I’ve been voting since 1968 when one had to be 21. Most of the time I have voted for a candidate because I wanted that candidate to win. Although I have been known to vote third party when I want both major party candidates to lose. I don’t think I ever voted for a candidate just because I decided he was the lesser of two evils or the least worse major party candidate or the candidate I wanted to lose the least. 2016 was the most recent example, both Trump and Clinton disgusted me so much, I voted third party so my vote would be officially registered as being against both. No lesser of two evils for me.

There’s been a couple of times where I voted for the losing candidate, then voted for the winning candidate over my choice, the losing candidate when reelection time came as I thought he did a very good job. The most recent example of this was in 2008, I voted for McCain then in 2012 for Obama over Romney.

I’ll add this, only one election since Gallup started keeping track of favorable/unfavorable in 1952 were both major party candidates were under 50% favorable and over 50% unfavorable. 2016, Clinton 38% favorable/56% unfavorable vs. Trump 36% favorable/60% unfavorable. We had another election where only one candidate was under 50% favorable and over 50% unfavorable. Trump in 2020 at 43% favorable/56% unfavorable. FYI Biden was at 52% favorable/46% unfavorable. There was another election where one candidate was viewed under 50% favorable but wasn’t over 50% unfavorable. 1964, Goldwater was seen 43% favorable/47% unfavorable. All other presidential candidates since 1952 were seen above 50% favorable and under 50% unfavorable.

But it looks like 2024 will be the second election where both major party candidate are seen under 50% favorable/over 50% unfavorable by all Americans. Biden currently at 39% favorable/55% unfavorable vs. Trump 41% favorable/54% unfavorable.

Maybe I'm just too picky. LOL