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Top Evangelical Resigns After Backing Gay Unions An outspoken and polarizing voice in conservative Christian politics resigned effective Thursday from the National Association of Evangelicals after a radio interview in which he voiced support for same-sex civil unions and said he is "shifting" on gay marriage.
The Rev. Richard Cizik's comments — made on a Dec. 2 "Fresh Air" broadcast on National Public Radio — triggered an uproar that led to his stepping down as NAE vice president of governmental affairs.
A fixture in Washington for nearly three decades, Cizik has played a key role in bringing evangelical Christian concerns to the political table. But in recent years, he earned enemies in the movement for pushing to broaden the evangelical agenda. His strongest focus was on "creation care," arguing that evangelicals have a biblical responsibility to the environment that includes combatting global warming. I suppose the headline could have been "Don't tell" policy alive and well in Evangelical circles...
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A solution that might finally drive the schism in the Episcopal church into an outright canyon! Why? It doesn't preclude any religion from performing a same-sex marriage. That would still be up to the faith itself.
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Colin Powell Reiterates Support for Review of "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" In an interview with CNN Thursday, former secretary of State and retired general Colin Powell once again reiterated his support for a military review of the U.S. “don’t ask, don’t tell” policy, which prohibits gays and lesbians from serving openly in the armed forces.
"We should be reevaluating it," he said.
General Powell's evolving views on "don't ask, don't tell" are the source of much interest on Capitol Hill precisely because people think he holds so much sway inside the Beltway. However, his comments to CNN do not represent a change of position. In fact, they parallel those he made at the Aspen Institute in July, when he endorsed reviewing the policy but stopped short of calling for its repeal.
"I agree with [former] Senator [Sam] Nunn -- you can review it, but I'm not prepared to say that you should do away with it until you have talked to the people who have to execute it and implement it -- the armed forces leadership," Powell said while being interviewed by Walter Isaacson. Nunn chaired the Senate Armed Services Committee when the policy was adopted in 1993.
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Yes, exactly the point I have been making all along. Glad he was able to put it in a way that you got it, Rick. Not to point fingers ( Kap17), but it is other Ranters who feel that gays have legimate equal rights this very moment. P-I-A has succinctly put into perspective of how and why gays do not have the same benefits as straights at the moment. As for me, I've just gone along for the ride and truly did not connect the dots as P-I-A has done.
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I could perhaps have posted the last two articles as separate posts, but I felt that they were both indications that the debate on the topic is swinging (pardon the pun) toward social acceptance of homosexuality in our society.
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Yes, exactly the point I have been making all along. Glad he was able to put it in a way that you got it, Rick. Not to point fingers ( Kap17), but it is other Ranters who feel that gays have legimate equal rights this very moment. P-I-A has succinctly put into perspective of how and why gays do not have the same benefits as straights at the moment. As for me, I've just gone along for the ride and truly did not connect the dots as P-I-A has done. I don't think that gays have equal right right now. But due to my personal beliefs I cannot support "marriage for everyone" 100%. I do support civil unions with equal federal/local rights for everyone and marriage up to the church. If you take that as not supporting the "gay cause" so be it. I don't need to be sorry for my personal beliefs.
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Thanks for speaking up, kap. When someone makes an unfounded assumptions about what someone else believes, the most helpful thing the someone else can do is set the record straight. Oops, I said "straight". Pardon the expression. 
Steve Give us the wisdom to teach our children to love,
to respect and be kind to one another,
so that we may grow with peace in mind.
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I think, STeve, that the record is most assuredly "straight" and that is the problem.
A well reasoned argument is like a diamond: impervious to corruption and crystal clear - and infinitely rarer.
Here, as elsewhere, people are outraged at what feels like a rigged game -- an economy that won't respond, a democracy that won't listen, and a financial sector that holds all the cards. - Robert Reich
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Yes, exactly the point I have been making all along. Glad he was able to put it in a way that you got it, Rick. Not to point fingers ( Kap17), but it is other Ranters who feel that gays have legimate equal rights this very moment. P-I-A has succinctly put into perspective of how and why gays do not have the same benefits as straights at the moment. As for me, I've just gone along for the ride and truly did not connect the dots as P-I-A has done. I don't think that gays have equal right right now. But due to my personal beliefs I cannot support "marriage for everyone" 100%. I do support civil unions with equal federal/local rights for everyone and marriage up to the church. If you take that as not supporting the "gay cause" so be it. I don't need to be sorry for my personal beliefs. Of course you need never be sorry for your personal beliefs. I just don't know why you think your personal beliefs trump equal rights regarding marriage.
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Of course you need never be sorry for your personal beliefs. I just don't know why you think your personal beliefs trump equal rights regarding marriage. "ALL ANIMALS ARE EQUAL, BUT SOME ARE MORE EQUAL THAN OTHERS" - George Orwell, Animal Farm, Ch. 10 I'm not the one out there that is trying to pass laws and propositions. But when I am asked to vote and to voice my opinion I will do so. It is the job of the Courts to make sure that discrimination doesn't take place and the California Courts should have never allowed Prop 8 on the ballots. My job is to watch out for myself, my family and my friends. Everything else is secondary.
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